2019 Aims of Athletics: Arne Duncan, John Rodgers and Erin McDermott


ERIN MCDERMOTT: So welcome to
the sixth Aims of Athletics address. It’s a great day to be a Maroon. [APPLAUSE] To start us off tonight,
it’s my pleasure to introduce Provost Diermeier. Daniel Diermeier serves
as the 13th Provost of the University
of Chicago, where he is the David Lee Schilling
Law Distinguished Service Professor at the
Harris School of Public Policy and the college. He is a fellow of the American
Academy of Arts and Sciences, the Guggenheim Foundation,
and the Canadian Institute of Advanced Research. I will also add that Provost
Diermeier has another UAA connection with the
University of Rochester, where he holds a PhD
in political science and a master’s degree. I also understand,
being from Germany, he is a devout Die Mannschaft
fan, the German national soccer or football team. Please welcome
Provost Diermeier. DANIEL DIERMEIER: Well, thank
you for that introduction. That was nice. So first of all, good
evening to all of you. It’s great to see all of you. And you’re probably asking
yourself, what on earth does a provost do? Sounds like an important
role, but the provost is the mystery position
at the university. So everybody knows the
dean, and especially if you’re an undergraduate
here at the college you know Dean Boyer. And everybody knows the
president, but the provost– nobody knows what I do. So my role is I oversee
everything academic. So all the deans
report up to me. And I’m also responsible
for the university’s budget. So another way to think
about my role it’s like where lofty goals
meets fiscal reality. That’s where I work. Athletics is part of
campus and student life, and campus and student
life through Michelle and through Aaron. On the athletic side, report
up to me, the provost. So I have ultimately
responsibility not only for all
the academic side, but for campus and student life. And that, of course,
includes athletics as well. So it’s my great
pleasure to welcome you to the Aims of
Athletics address today. We’re going to have a
great program later today. And I’d like to
talk a little bit before we get going on the value
of athletics in universities, but in particular the
value of athletics at the University of Chicago. So one of the things that
makes this university great and distinct that
it has a very clear sense of its own identity. We’re very conscious of the
principles that we were founded on, and the values
that have guided us now throughout our almost
130 year history. This is, by the way, like
everything else at Chicago, a little bit contested. Are we exactly 129, 130, 131. People have made
different arguments for each of these numbers. But this university
has, since its founding, been committed to
academic excellence. And that means on
the research side that this is a home where we
pride ourselves as the place where [? fealty ?] finding
research is going on. Has been going on
throughout its history. For our faculty have not
only created great work through the articles
and through their books, but have really shaped how
entire fields of research are operating. And on the
educational side, that means that we are committed
to a transformative education. That when you have graduated
from the University of Chicago that you should look at the
world with a different pairs of eyes, and that you will walk
away with the habits of mind that will serve your lifetime,
no matter which career and which future you pursue. Everything we do is
shaped by those values. The way we do study abroad
is driven like that, the way we do our residence
halls is driven like that, the way we teach and our
educational structure is driven by those values. And those same values apply
how we think about athletics as well. Our student athletes are
first and foremost students and athletes. That means you are here
because, as students, we fully expect you to bring
everything that you bring to the classroom. And then, on top of that,
you are athletes as well. And I know that this is a
significant responsibility, and it requires an additional
level of commitment and an additional
level of discipline and organizational skills
because in addition to dealing with what I hope and
know is demanding classwork, you also have to, of course,
practice, work with your team, participate in
competitions, and so forth. What we know, however,
from our student athletes through the
years is that they have excelled at that. And very often– and we know
this from our data as well– our student athletes,
when they come back and they graduate
from the universities, rate their experience, how
their years at university have been among the highest
of any of our students. And that’s a testament
to your commitment and your ability to
integrate these two sides. To be athletes and
students at the same time. It also comes with
responsibility. It becomes with the
responsibility of representing University of Chicago, your
represent the University of Chicago whenever you compete. And we have high
expectations that you– in your competition– uphold
the highest standards, not only of excellence, but
also of integrity and conduct. We are very pleased
that you’re here. We are very pleased that you
chose the University of Chicago to pursue your academic
and athletic passions. We’re very proud of what
you have accomplished, and what we hope you
will accomplished. And I talked a lot
about the success that we have had on
the academic side, but I want to talk about the
success on the athletic side as well because that’s
just as impressive. We have tonight here
two national champions from last year. Isabel Maletch, who
won in long jump. I don’t here, are you
here Isabelle somewhere? Yes. All right, very good. [APPLAUSE] And Ben Lipski, who won in
the 200 yard backstroke. Are you here as well? [APPLAUSE] The university has
been ranked ninth in the Director’s Cup, which
is the overall competition of over 450 NCAA Division three
schools, which is a really magnificent accomplishment. We’ve had, throughout
our history, 22 NCAA national champions, and three
national players since 1989. And, as I said before,
all student athletes are students and athletes. We also had, since ’96,
11 Rhodes scholars. So that gives you just a sense
of what your accomplishments are, and how we think
about student athletics at the University of Chicago. But you should always,
always recognize that while you’re
here, it’s also about making friends for life,
connecting with each other, with your teammates
and with others. And some people still
call us the place where fun comes to die. I know that’s wrong. The way we think about it, it’s
just the right amount of fun. Thank you very much. ERIN MCDERMOTT:
Provost Deirmeier is leaving a little Adidas gear. So it’s good. I just want to, before
we move on, thank– another guest with us
is Michelle Rasmussen. She is the dean of
students in the university, and the leader for
campus and student life. She has really been
instrumental in the strides that we’ve taken as a
department through her advocacy and support. So Michelle, thank
you for being here. She’s right over there. I just have a few comments
to make before we have the core part of our program. And speaking of those strides,
I just wanted to highlight that, with Michelle’s support, and
when Dean Rasmussen and I both arrived to the
University of Chicago in that first year,
which is 2013-14, Maroon teams finished 20th
in Division III nationally. The same ranking that Provost
Diermeier just talked about, and that was our first
ever top 20 finish. So if you aren’t sure what
the Directors Cup actually is, as Provost Diermeier
said, 450 schools that compete in Division III. Points or assess to all
the teams and individuals that qualify for postseason
NCAA championships, NCAA tournaments, and a
calculation is formed. And just six years
later we are– as Provost Diermeier
said– one of the strongest Division III programs
in the country. Ranked ninth last year based
on your individual and team performances. Our highest ranking ever,
and our first in the top 10 in just six
years from 20 to 9. Pretty cool. Congratulations. [APPLAUSE] And thank you to all of you. You are part of building
a modern legacy, and you are the model for
collegiate scholar athletes. Striving for the
best that you can be, and everything that
you do to become better versions of yourselves. And how about those
fall Maroon teams? Yes. Several are nationally ranked. We’re undefeated in
early conference play. Women’s tennis swept all
titles in their ITA Regional Championship. We have so much to
be proud of already. Just one time Maroons, come on. Ma-what? Maroons. This event has become
our opportunity to gather and honor
the traditions and values of athletics at
the University of Chicago. You share a connection with the
Maroons who came before you. You will forever be
part of something greater than yourselves. Your teams, this university,
and our Maroon community. There are two pillars
that we give credit for fortifying our foundation. Amos Alonzo Stagg, a legendary
figure in college football, and athletic director
for 40 years. Our philosophy and
value system still align with his wise words,
winning isn’t worthwhile unless one has something
finer and nobler behind it. And Gertrude Dudley
was the first person to oversee women’s athletics
in the early 1900s. Her belief that athletics
develop selflessness, honor, fairness, courage, and a
sense of responsibility are attributes that we aspire
for you to learn as part of your experience today. There is one more Maroon leader
I want to recognize tonight, and whom I know was
very proud of you. Mary Jean Mulvaney
embodied the values and educational philosophy
of Stagg and Dudley, and led U Chicago Athletics
to its modern form. Developing varsity
teams for women, being a voice and presence
nationally in Division III, and advocating for the
creation of the UAA, our core conference. Mary Jean was an
absolute pioneer being one of the
first women to be hired as the director of
athletics for both men’s and women’s teams back in 1976. It’s women like Mary Jean who
blazed the trail for women like me. She lived a long
and purposeful life, passing away two weeks
ago at the age of 92. But she will forever
live on in all of us, and those who come after us. So Maroons, in the memory
of those who came before us, let’s aspire to honor them
by manifesting in ourselves what they were. Brave, bold, and proud
to be part of this place. Because that is what we
mean by being Maroon made. Go Maroons. [APPLAUSE] It’s now time for
the keynote segment for the Aims of Athletics. So to begin, please welcome
Madison Pearson and Scott Wu to introduce our two guests. [APPLAUSE] SCOTT WU: Evening everyone. My name is Scott Wu, and
I had the pleasure tonight of introducing Mr. John Rogers. If you don’t know John from
Roger’s house in campus north, John is a philanthropist, an
investor, and a true Chicago native who also serves as a
University of Chicago trustee. John grew up right here
in Hyde Park Chicago, and went to the University
of Chicago Lab School before taking a quick
detour to the east coast to a relatively irrelevant
university named Princeton University, where he played
basketball and studied and captained the 1979-1980
Ivy League champion Princeton Tigers. John came back to
Chicago right after, and started Ariel Investments,
a relatively successful mutual fund firm that
he still chairs today. John here has emerged as
a leader in the Chicago community, and
serves on the board and as a leader in
many organizations here in the civic, educational,
and art communities. He’s worked with organizations
like Project Vote, the Chicago Urban League, and the
Chicago Symphony orchestra. Here in the world of
Chicago education, John has designed
academic curricula and has sponsored many– dozens, in fact– of
high school and college educations over the
past few decades. If you ask anybody
from Chicago, they’ll tell you John is a
true Chicago native and a leader in this community. If you ask Forbes
magazine, they’ll call him a patient investor. And if you ask Mike Krzyzewski,
Duke men’s basketball head coach, and in Sports Illustrated
in an article published in the late 80s,
they’ll tell you that John was the
first person to ever beat Michael Jordan in a game
of one on one basketball. It’s true, you can look it up. Student athletes,
administrators, and coaches, I have the pleasure again of
introducing to you Mr. John Washington Rogers. [APPLAUSE] MADISON PEARSON:
Hello, everyone. It is my pleasure this
evening to introduce to you our esteemed
guest, Arne Duncan. While I can’t fit all of
Mr Duncan’s accomplishments into one introduction,
please allow me to highlight
just a few of many. With roots in Hyde
Park, Mr. Duncan attended the University
of Chicago Lab schools, later matriculating
into Harvard University. At Harvard, he co-captained
the varsity basketball team, and was named a first
team academic All-American before playing professional
basketball overseas. Mr. Duncan previously
served as the superintendent of Chicago Public Schools
from 2001 until 2009. Mr. Duncan then served as United
States Secretary of Education under President Barack
Obama from 2009 until 2015. Now, Mr. Duncan is
currently a managing partner for the Emerson collective,
a social impact organization, and leading Chicago
CRED, CRED standing for creating real
economic destiny, with the singular
purpose of achieving a transformative reduction
of gun violence in Chicago. Everyone please
join me in giving a warm welcome to our
speaker Arne Duncan. [APPLAUSE] ERIN MCDERMOTT: I
think they’re all on. Can you– OK, sounds like it. I just before we get
started want you all to know if you want to
be thinking a little bit or if the questions that
I ask aren’t hitting on things that you
would like to know, we will save some time
at the end for you to ask questions, which is why
we have some of the mics set up in the room, OK? So just want to
let you know that. That was something
both John and Arne want to make sure
we save time for, so that was generous of them. So to get us going,
I think, as was mentioned in the
introductions, both of you grew up in Hyde Park. From what I hear, very different
maybe then than it is today. So it might be good
for our students to hear a little bit about
your experience growing up in Hyde Park, what
it was like then, how in the main ways
that you can think of, maybe the differences of
today and going to Lab, and what led you down the
road to Harvard and Princeton. But Arne, if you
want to start first. John start, OK. We’ll start with John. JOHN ROGERS: A couple
of things I would say is that, first of all, it’s
really great to be here. I love the University
of Chicago. And as much as I love Princeton
and Princeton basketball, my heart is really
here in Hyde Park. And so I’ve been so honored to
be a trustee all these years, and to be involved with
university and the Lab schools and all the great work
that all of you guys are doing. I’d say it’s interesting– I went to a private
grade school at 47th and Ellis called
Harvard St. George. And my parents didn’t know
that I basically wasn’t getting an education there. The school has
long closed, but it was a school run by
a dynamic woman who was trying to be a pioneer, but
it was like a family operation. Her husband was the
engineer and janitor. The family dog
wandered the halls, and you’d see in the lunchroom
often and in the kitchen. The principal was her
daughter, et cetera. And so somehow, my parents
got the idea in ninth grade that I needed to change schools. And thank god they
did because going to the University of
Chicago Lab School really did transform my life. It’s a really
special institution. You really learn to respect
people from all walks of life at the Laboratory School. You learn to love
learning, you love to learn about how important
it is to read and study and think about ideas, and
not just remember facts. And again, this idea that you
respect the people from all walks of life. And where the faculty
there at the Lab school trusted you as an adult, even
when you were 14 years old. It was something
that was unique. And so I was really
proud that my daughter graduated from the Lab School. And the last time
I was in this room it was her eighth
grade graduation. And so it’s kind
of nice to be back. So I would just say
that Hyde Park and Lab were central to my upbringing. I spent most of my
time in Hyde Park trying to find gyms and
playgrounds to play in because sports was
my life growing up. That’s all I thought about. And right across
the street I would try to sneak into Bartlett
gym because that’s where the best games were
with during the off hours. I know now Bartlett’s the
lunchroom room, not a gym anymore. So to your question, that’s
one of the big changes is how my favorite
gym has disappeared. And of course, all of you
know how extraordinary the leadership here– President Zimmer and the team
have created so much more fun in Hyde Park. And 53rd Street is an entirely
different kind of community. And we’re going to go have a
drink on 53 street later today. ERIN MCDERMOTT: Not all of you. JOHN ROGERS: We
couldn’t have done that 30 years ago, or 40 years
ago when we were growing up. There wasn’t the
fun places to go. So that’s the kind of changes
that have been important. ERIN MCDERMOTT: Arne? ARNE DUNCAN: Like John, this
is literally and figuratively home. I grew up at 56 and Blackstone. We live at 55th and
Kenwood three blocks from where I grew up. Very intentionally came back
because, like John said, we just think Hyde Park is such
an extraordinary place to live. For my sister and
brother and I to grow up in this community,
and now my wife and I to raise
our two kids here. So it’s great to be home. UFC is home. My dad taught here for 40
years until, unfortunately, he passed 12 years ago. Taught psychology. We would come every year. He was from the South, he
grew up playing the banjo. He was the faculty chair
of the Folk Festival. So we would come and
sit in the front row. Chairs weren’t so
nice back in the day, but came here every single year. But he was the faculty
representative to the NCA for forever, and we’d have
these fascinating dinnertime conversations about sports
and athletics and academics and what’s the right balance. And that really shaped
me and, actually, he was part of the team that
helped us set up the UAA. I remember it being
wildly controversial. So the fact you guys get to
fight at Emory and Carnegie Marilyn and [INAUDIBLE]. He was really,
really proud of that. ERIN MCDERMOTT: They’re laughing
because our football team just as bad as– [INTERPOSING VOICES] ARNE DUNCAN: Well,
the other teams don’t have the [INAUDIBLE]. So UFC athletics,
we grew up going to the football games, the
soccer games, the basketball games. Forever going back to the Henry
Crown when there was dirt. It was dirt and there was
a net around the court. So I can’t overstate how
important the university has been in my family’s life. ERIN MCDERMOTT: Thanks. So if both of you could
speak to maybe your path that led you to Princeton,
John, and Harvard, Arne. I’m sure you both had tremendous
options and opportunities, and what that process
was like for you in making that decision. JOHN ROGERS: Well,
for me, it was– I’m fortunate. The Lab school prepared
me academically, unlike the grade
school that I went to, to be able to get into the
competitive universities. And I was determined to
play basketball in college. And I wanted to play at
the highest level possible. And so the Ivy League was
the perfect place for me at that stage, and
it was someplace that was going to please my parents. I’d get an Ivy League
education, and I’d get the chance to play on
a top 20 basketball team. They had a great history of NBA
players going from Princeton back then into the NBA. Our coach was on his way
to establishing a Hall of Fame career, Pete Carril. He’d already written
books on basketball, and was someone that was
already highly respected as a extraordinary thinker
when it came to basketball. So this wonderful thing. You could please your parents,
and at the same time play high quality basketball against
the best teams in the country with a coach who’s
extraordinary. All those things
came together to make it pretty easy decision. I almost went to
Penn because Penn had very much the
same characteristics, and you guys are too
young to remember. There’s a coach at Penn
named Chuck Daly who went on to coach the
Detroit Pistons to a world championship. And I remember I was
never a big recruit. I was just one of those
afterthought recruits, and I went to visit with him. And he basically
had no time for me because he already had a
stacked team and didn’t need me. And of course, that Penn team
of 1979 went to the final four and played in the final four. Lost to Michigan State
in the first game. Many people remember it
was Larry Bird versus Magic Johnson in that final four. But Penn and DePaul
were also there. So sometimes I do think
about what would have happened if I’d gone to Penn? Would I have gotten
cut, or would I have played on the
final four team? But that’s what inspired
me to go to Princeton was this idea of being able
to play basketball and keep the family happy. ARNE DUNCAN: Yeah, it was
really important to be honest, and yes John did Michael
Jordan, but neither one of us was five star recruits
by any stretch. And to be very, very
clear John worked hard to get coach Carril,
a hall of fame coach, to recruit me to
go to Princeton. I went and visited. And coach Carril was
very clear saying, if you want to play college
basketball, don’t come here. And went to Harvard and
was not a big recruit and actually I got
cut my freshman year. I did not make the team. I played JV. So we both had a lot of
heart, we both worked hard, we both tried to be
pretty good teammates. But it wasn’t like we
were some fancy recruits. We were scraping and
clawing every single day to try and contribute
and find a way to help our teams do better. JOHN ROGERS: I
would jump in there. I think part of the reason that
coach grill didn’t recruit, Arne, was he was remembering
what I played like. And he didn’t want
anyone who had my skills set and my weaknesses
coming to screw up his team. And so Arne suffered
from that comparison. And Back when I was playing– I’m younger than Arnie– freshmen couldn’t play varsity. And I, literally,
was the last person to make the team sophomore year. There was 15 uniforms,
I got the 15th uniform. It was the uniform of a
young man who had, basically, unfortunately flunked
out during the summer, and I got his uniform. And once I made the team– and I was thrilled
to make the team, but four days later coach
Carril would go down the line and talk about each player. And he came to me and
he said, Johnny Rogers, you’re not a basketball player. You have no idea
what you’re doing. You’re legally blind,
and I can’t teach vision. But stay around a few days more. You play so hard, I
don’t want to cut you. So you can imagine
for the next couple of weeks I just kept going
there expecting to be cut, have my heart broken, and
to be leaving Princeton to find another place to play. But fortunately,
he kept me around. And so unfortunately, Arne
had to suffer because of that. And now I should say
whenever– coach Carril knows about Arne’s great success and
his great career at Harvard, he always tells me,
I made such a mistake with that Arne Duncan. It was all my fault, and the
assistant coaches fault. I should’ve fired the assistant
coach for telling me not to recruit Arne. ERIN MCDERMOTT: So if
you’ve picked up on a theme, coaches back in their
day were brutally honest. You got very direct feedback,
many times public feedback. And I know coach Carril
from my Princeton days, and we’ll get into him
a little bit more later. And I also wanted to
highlight from Arne’s comments that his dad not only was
a teacher here as he said, Starkey Duncan, but
a beloved professor and a beloved
advocate for athletics and nationally known for
his work in athletics. And so just didn’t want to miss
that point that they both have tremendous connection
to this university through their parents,
and certainly for Arne. And since you’ve
alluded to it, it just might be interesting for them
to hear that you were friends back even in that time of John
trying to recruit even Arne to Princeton. So if you want to give them
a little back story on how you met and your friendship
and how that came together. ARNE DUNCAN: It’s a
fascinating story. Lab schools that we both
went to was a K to 12 school, which is unusual. Basketball was our lives. John was six years older,
so John was a star the team as a senior when I
was in sixth grade. And he was my Michael
Jordan before there was a Michael Jordan. He and a couple
of the other guys, I think I forced myself
under their wing. And they just– the big
brother I never had. So I grew up going to all
their games and watching them. I would sneak on the bus
sometimes on a road trip to go watch them play. And he was my friend, he was my
mentor, he was my role model. That’s now 40 years ago. It’s sort of crazy. [INTERPOSING VOICES] JOHN ROGERS: –right? Almost. ARNE DUNCAN: Not quite 50. 45. Who’s counting? And it’s– other than my
parents, John’s had, by far, the biggest
influence on my life. I mean, no one else comes close. And literally, every major
life decision I’ve made I’ve not done with his
input and his advice. And there would be
times when I think I was clear where
I was going, he would steer me in a
different direction. He’d be right and I’d be wrong. And we talk every week. And just to have that kind
of role model for that long is just such a gift
and a blessing. I think about– I had two great
parents, I had a great family. And still to have
that kind of mentor. I think about young
kids growing up who aren’t so blessed
to have a strong family, and how important that is. Last thing I’ll say is that
I was playing in Australia and loved it. And met my wife there,
and it’s a great life. And they give you
a house, and a car, and they pay you well
to play basketball. And John at that point
was still really young, but his business, Ariel Capital,
was starting to do well. So he– rather than buying a
house or a boat or a fancy car, wanted to set up a
foundation to help out. And he offered me and my sister
the chance to come do that. And this is crazy how life
is, but absent that offer, I wanted to come
back and help out, but didn’t know how to do it. Absent that offer, I
honestly think I would still be living in Australia. My life would totally
have been different. I would have kept
playing forever. I would have eventually coached. I wanted to come home and help,
but I needed a path, a vehicle. And without that, my life may
have been really interesting, but would have been wildly,
wildly, wildly different. So I’m just so thankful to
have that life changing chance. JOHN ROGERS: I would add
to that as I always knew– you could tell Arne was
this extraordinary person, even when he was whatever age
that was, 12 years old or so. He was somebody–
when you watched him on the court– kind of things
your coaches talk about. He played so, so hard. He was committed to excellence. He wanted to be the best player. And then, if you watched
him and often when he would sneak
into Bartlett, he’d be there playing
basketball with his sister and his brother and his mom. And you saw what kind of a
strong family he came from, and what extraordinary
parents and siblings he had. But then, you got a sense
of his concern for others, and the way that he played–
he was always sharing the ball, looking for ways to make
other players look better. Never the one selfishly taking
the shot for themselves, but always trying
to find ways to help their teammates be better. So as you saw that as this
young person, of course you want to be around
someone like that who’s committed to making
others better, and came from a family
that was also committed to making others better. Because Arne’s mom ran
an after school tutoring program in the inner city
here in North Kenwood Oakland for how many years, Arne? ARNE DUNCAN: 52. JOHN ROGERS: 52 years. So Arne grew up every day
going to help tutor inner city kids facing the toughest
challenges the world can throw at you. And that had such
a compelling impact on what kind of
human being he is. And you could see
that at an early age that he was just truly
something special. So I feel blessed to
have his friendship, and a role model for
me all these years. ERIN MCDERMOTT: So you’ve
talked about your parents a little bit. So I just wanted to
give you the opportunity to speak more about them, if you
would like, and the influence. And John, I know maybe
yours didn’t teach here, but both went to law
school here, correct? There was an interesting
story of your father ever getting into law school here
after being a Tuskegee Airmen, correct? JOHN ROGERS: Well,
thanks for mentioning it. So I was really,
really lucky also. I had two pioneering parents. As I get older, I
appreciate the challenges that they faced in the 1940s
getting their career started in a world that did not
support African-American legal professionals. So my mom graduated from
the law school in 1946. She was the first
African-American woman to graduate from the University
of Chicago law school. She met my dad the first
day that he showed up at the law school. He was class of 1948,
and as you suggested, he had been Tuskegee
airmen, and had flown over 100 missions
in World War II. He was in the original
group of fighter pilots that went overseas to
support our country. And he came home and decided
he wanted to go to law school on the GI Bill. He’d gone to Teachers College. And of course, the
university told him no. There wasn’t room for him. And so he showed up the next
day and his captain’s uniform, and convinced them to
allow him to take a test. And he took a test, he did
really well on the test. And so they allowed him
to join the law school. And the whole time
that he was there and the whole time my mom was
there they weren’t welcome. They kept telling my mom
she should be a paralegal. She should leave. Really was not
supported in any way. And for a long time, they
were very resentful of that. But they decided to, again,
bring me up here in Hyde Park, send into the Laboratory School. And I think they
realized over time what a special opportunity
the University of Chicago gave them, and the kind of
education that they got here. But so they were, again,
these two pioneers, and that was
something helped shape the way that I think about
the world and how I grew up. ERIN MCDERMOTT: Thank you. Arne, anything more you want
to say about your parents? ARNE DUNCAN: Just very quickly
that both my parents were educators as we talked about. In those days, 47th Street
was an invisible barrier between integrated
middle class Hyde Park and all black, all poor
North Kenwood Oakland. And as John alluded
to, my mother’s tutoring program that she raised
us going to was on 46th Street. And again, we lived at
56th and Blackstone. So it was less than two miles. We used to walk some days. But for me, seeing the
disparity between what my friends during the
day at the Lab School had in terms of
opportunity, and what my friends in the
afternoon had who were as smart, as talented,
as hard working, as resilient, as committed. That wild disparity
of 12 blocks, that’s been the driving
force in my life of how do we close
that opportunity gap, and just how unfair
it fundamentally is. JOHN ROGERS: Can you talk a
little bit about the challenges that your mom faced being
the white woman working in the one of the
toughest parts of town? ARNE DUNCAN: Going
back to the 60s, it was an interesting time. And there were– I’ll just say she had
extraordinary courage. I’ll just say that. And early on there weren’t– the kids loved her coming
and that was great, but she wasn’t always
welcomed in the community. And there were times when
her life was threatened, and we would go home
and talk about– [INAUDIBLE] as a kid,
it’s an odd conversation of whether we go
back the next day. And I remember her
saying that, well, if you act like you’re scared–
if you show you’re scared, they’ll just– you can never come back,
they’ll run you out. And we would just show up. Her and her three little
white kids, and she was there 50 years later. And it was interesting
over time how that changed, and over time when there
were threats towards her, the community
would handle those. And just to see that change
over time was pretty remarkable. One funny story. I remember one time coming
home on 47th street, a drunk driver hit us. Jumped out, start yelling
and screaming, at that point there was a [INAUDIBLE] lounge. And all of a sudden these
guys came pouring out of [INAUDIBLE] lounge. And this guy looks around
crazy and takes off. And what [INAUDIBLE]
when you think about how does that possible, but she had
earned that respect over time. JOHN ROGERS: I’m sorry to
go on too long about this, but that fearlessness
is in the way that Arne conducts his life. And so growing, up you
could be around driving through Chicago in some
the toughest neighborhoods, and you’d see a pickup
game going on somewhere. Arne, you’re the
one white guy there in a sea of black players. And he had all the
respect of those players. And years later, I
went to watch him play. I was getting too old to play. And I went to watch him play
in a 40 and older league, I think it was, on the
west side of Chicago. OK, and typically, he’s the
only white guy in the gym, literally. And a fight broke out. And as Arnie typically does,
he went in to calm things down. Get the fight settled down. And some crazy
person punched Arne, and the exact same
thing happened. All the whole place
came to Arne’s defense. All these black players,
they were incredulous that this other crazy
guy had punched him. They took him
downstairs somewhere, and we gather he was
punished dramatically for what he did to Arne. And there was calls that
evening about what else they should be doing to
someone who had disrespected Arne in the way that he had. And that’s just one of a
kind of story that tells you the kind of values,
and the kind of ways that Arne and his family have
conducted themselves here in our city. ERIN MCDERMOTT: So I’ll
jump in, and let you all know that John was instrumental
in bringing me here. So really, he’s in charge. He’s just going to take
over whenever he wants to. JOHN ROGERS: Sorry. ERIN MCDERMOTT: No,
I’m happy that are. You have every right to do so. We’ll just keep you talking. Since you brought
up Coach Carril, and for those who don’t
know who this is, definitely worth looking him up. He’s definitely a
legendary coach. You may have seen maybe
images of when Princeton beat UCLA in the NCAA tournament. It was pretty massive. It was Coach Carril’s last
season coaching, I believe. Yeah, he retired after that. And he’s still kicking
around Princeton. So he’s definitely a character,
and John has described him or has talked of coach Carril as
being his best teacher while he was at Princeton. So I just wanted to
give you the chance to maybe talk about your
experience with Coach Carril, and what you mean by he
was your best teacher. JOHN ROGERS: Well, thanks. I’ve had a chance
to tell him that in large audiences like this. And to tell him that he, by
far, was the best teacher I ever had, and the lessons and
values that he taught me and transformed my life. And there were just
extraordinary things that he taught that were
very, very, very important. He was at Princeton
for 29 years, and then spent roughly 15
years with the Sacramento Kings as an assistant
coach working for one of his former players,
Jeff Petry, who was the president of the Kings. And you guys are probably
still too young to remember, but he was the architect
of the Sacramento offense when they were really good
with Chris Webber and Peja Stojakovic and
all those players. They almost won a world
championship one year. And I guess I would say there’s
three things– you guys all learn this from your coaches,
and know how important coaches are to your lives. But the first thing I
mentioned in terms of Arnie was that he pounded home that
to be successful as a team, you had to think about
your teammates first. And he had a way of
showing you on the court why setting the right screen
or making the right pass or making the right cut, things
you were doing for the team, ultimately, of course,
helped the team win, but also maybe opened
up a shot for yourself. And if you are thinking
about others first, good things came to
you and the team. And he was brutal. If he thought you were
selfish, he would tell you. And if you were
really selfish, he would tell you how
much he hated you, how much he hated your
parents, your girlfriend, and in very colorful language. It was pretty remarkable. The second thing
he did is he taught you the importance of doing
everything the right way every time. It’s funny, I was at
Princeton basketball practice last Friday. And Mitch Henderson, the
head coach of Princeton played on that UCLA
team for coach Carril. And he was talking
about the same things. About how executing
on every possession that you have the ball,
on defense or offense, concentrating on
every possession. Details matter and focus
matters and there’s just no excuse for taking a play
off even if you’re at practice. He said, once you cross the
lines and you start practice, every moment matters. And you have to be intentional
and use every time right. Use every moment right. And he would Stop practice constantly
to correct every behavior. If you threw a pass that
was three inches too low, he would say, pass is off. If you cut with an angle
that was a little bit off, he’d stop practice and
show you exactly what the right angle was. He just did not accept
mediocrity at anything you did. And if you think
about it, these values are really important
in business. If you’re building
a team at work, you want the team to
understand how much you care about each and every
person that works with you, how much you care
about your employees, how much you care
about your community. This values of teamwork
are very, very important. And of course, if you’re
doing what I do for a living, picking stocks, being
meticulous with your research, doing it the right
way every time, having consistency
and discipline the way you invest and the way
you execute your strategy is important. And finally, that
ability to concentrate. We all live with the ups
and downs of the market. You guys are following
that these days. We had a financial crisis– you guys are young– in 2008. But if you haven’t learned to
concentrate under pressure, you’re going to make
pressure filled mistakes at exactly the wrong time. So those values,
again, changed my life. And I’ve been so
lucky to get a chance to play for someone
like that, and never dreamed how important
it would be. ERIN MCDERMOTT: This was back
when the drinking age was 18, and there was also the players
that play for him back then. If Coach Carril thought
you were too skinny, you found a six pack of beer
at your locker during the week. JOHN ROGERS: Well, we
have summer interns from Princeton now who will– there’s one young
man from Chicago who worked for us one summer. And he talked about Coach Carril
came up to him a few years ago and told him, you’re too skinny. And the same story. And he’s like, coach,
the drinking age is 21. This isn’t legal. And coach really didn’t care. And Craig Robinson, who
many of you might know, Craig Robinson is
Michelle Obama’s brother. But he’s also the fourth leading
scorer in Princeton’s history. And when he came to stay with
me on his recruiting visit, he was 16 years old. And we’re out for
dinner with Coach Carril and the other players. And coaches are having
everyone drink beers. And Craig is like, I’m 16,
is this a joke or test? Am I allowed to do this? They said, coach will think
you’re a better player, and be very happy
with you if you have a few beers on
your recruiting visit. ERIN MCDERMOTT: This is
before sports nutrition came into play. JOHN ROGERS: I know. Well, last thing [INAUDIBLE]
you about coach– these players have
been successful. Steve Mills, who played with
us, is president the New York Knicks. Dave Blatt used to coach
the Cleveland Cavaliers. And Craig is the head of player
development now for the Nicks. So there’s been a
lot of former players are in basketball somewhere. ERIN MCDERMOTT: Yeah, the
lineage is really impressive. Arne, we’ll get you
talking about one of your pivotal experiences
I would imagine. Serving in the Obama
administration, and I’m sure there were awe
inspiring moments as well as times that you were
under the microscope. So I’m sure they
would love to hear about the highlights for you, or
things that really have stayed with you through that experience
and what those days were like. ARNE DUNCAN: Back
it up a second. So my first job that time
I come back from Australia was working for John and
setting up his foundation. And we started I
Have A Dream program, where we adopted 40
kids and promised them we’d pay for their
college if they made it through high school, and that
was my job for six years. My sister was to
work with those kids and tutor them and work
with their families. And during that time,
the neighborhood where we were working,
again, right there was cross street from where
my mother’s program was at 46th and Greenwood. Didn’t have a good
neighborhood public school. So we opened a small school,
Ariel Community Academy, that’s now 20 years
old, which is crazy. And that had 400 kids. And then, when our dreamers
were seniors going to college, so we had to figure
out what to do next. And we thought about another
school or another class. And then, I had a
chance to go work for the Chicago Public Schools. And at that point,
there were 400,000 kids in Chicago Public Schools. So just the math of it
was interesting to me from 40 to 400 to 400,000. And honestly, this is a it’s–
just always try to be honest to tell the truth– the public schools had been,
for our family, the enemy because my mother
was always trying to do at night what wasn’t
happening during the school day for kids. And at that point,
King High School was the local high school. It was a great
basketball school, but had a 67% dropout rate. And we used to lie and
have a bunch of kids use our address at Hyde
Park so they go to Kenwood and have a better
chance at life. So that was an amazing chance. I led the [INAUDIBLE] for
seven and a half years. Wanted to do 10 years because of
so much turnover in education, you just need some stability. And we were getting better,
but you’re a lot smarter year six and year seven than
you are in year one or two. And it’s a once in
a lifetime saying, and it happened a lot because
John and others worked so hard to help them,
but to have someone you like and respect and is
a friend you’ve worked with become president. And didn’t want
to leave Chicago. Our kids were young at
that point, four and six, but to have a chance to serve
the first African-American president, to be part of
that cabinet, it’s crazy. You show up to some of
the cabinet meetings and just be waiting for Secret
Service to kick you out. Go back home to Chicago, you
don’t feel like you belong. But it was– I always say, a lot of friends
I wouldn’t have moved to DC for, but he was so passionate,
so committed, and so willing to take on risk. And John talked about
Michelle and Craig came from an amazing family, but
they were both first generation college goers. Neither parent had
gone to college. Barack had lots of challenges
growing up in Hawaii. He talks about how
forgiving Hawaii was, and he could make
lots of mistakes and do some things out
of anger that, had he grown up on the South Side
of Chicago, there’s no way. There’s no chance that his
trajectory is what it is. So they both intuitively
got how important this was. So that had the chance to
work with and for them, and do some really hard
things that we thought would improve early childhood
education in K to 12, and get high school graduation
rates to all time highs. And do a lot around college
access and affordability and Pell grants. Absolutely just a
crazy dream come true. ERIN MCDERMOTT: I want
to get your thoughts, and then we’ll let the
students ask some questions. But Arne, given your work–
so Arne chaired what’s called the Knight Commission. For those of you
who aren’t familiar, the Knight Commission was formed
to promote reforms and support and strengthen the educational
mission of college sports. And there’s, obviously, a lot
of controversy, a lot of things happening today in college
athletics between debate around paying college athletes,
particularly at high revenue generating schools. And recently, California
signing basically into law starting
in 2023 for athletes to be able to profit off
of their name, image, and likeness. So just wanted them to hear your
thoughts on those developments and from your work
with the commission. ARNE DUNCAN: I’ll speak
as an individual, not as the co-chair of the commission. And again, be maybe a
little bit more candid. But I think college athletics
works extraordinarily well for probably 93%,
95% of schools. And I’m just a huge proponent
in the D3 model of student first and athletes second. That’s how we were all raised. But I don’t even think
it’s controversial. I’m really, really troubled
that at the highest levels you see coaches making you
know 8, 10, $12 million a year. You see players
who are generating huge amounts of revenue
for their university, and don’t have any chance
to participate in that. I grew up with a lot of
players here in Chicago who are much better than me. One of whom won a
national championship for his university. Didn’t quite make the pros. Came back home and had
very, very tough lives because he didn’t
have a piece of paper, they didn’t have a degree. They were used by
their universities and kicked back here. So that’s something I’ve
never, ever forgotten. To say that you don’t have
access to your name or image or likeness, that your
name’s on the Jersey and somehow you
don’t have access to some those revenues,
that doesn’t make sense. And I think you can’t
talk about all this without talking about race. And this is primarily
basketball and football. And generally, not always,
student athletes of color. Generally, not always, you
white ADs and white coaches, and the amount of
money they’re making due to the labor of others
isn’t fair and isn’t right. Not to go on too long,
but then you also see coaches who run
programs literally into the ground, all kinds
of infractions to win. There’s no penalty there. They get promoted, they
get the next big job and the next big job. And I’ll be very specific. If you look– again, we’re
a little basketball biases and I apologize for that. But if you look at arguably
the premier basketball college in the country,
University of Kentucky, that is led by a coach who ran
the University of Massachusetts into the ground. Who had huge scandals at
the University of Memphis, but he won games. And he climbed the ladder. And that’s the
message to coaches that if you want
to be successful, if you want to shoot
contracts, if you want that 8, 10, to $12 million
salary, that’s what you do. And so it is, I think,
fundamentally unfair. And some better distribution of
resources, but never devaluing that college degree. The most important thing that
will pay you the dividends forever that you guys
all know intuitively, is to get that college diploma. This is student athletes
who aren’t students, who are just athletes. Who are generating revenue, and
they go back home and nothing to show for it. I don’t think that’s right. JOHN ROGERS: I do think
the model of schools like the University of
Chicago, ivy league, I think is the best model. And you don’t have
that kind of issue here that you have with Kentucky
and what Arne talked about. And so I have so much respect
for the kind of student athletes we have
here than what’s happened in these large,
large institutions. ARNE DUNCAN: Not to keep
pushing, but it really for me is a Power 5 issue. And so again for,
93%, 95% D3, D2, be a low level Division
1, mid Division 1, I think the model
works extremely well. And I always think
student athletes, for me, is the greatest
leadership training program for the country
other than the military. And part of the
reason I’m so hopeful is I think you
guys are all going to be amazing leaders
in part because you’ve been part of teams,
and know what it means to be a good teammate. So that the system
is not broken, it’s broken for a small
percent of schools. And I would love to see the
NCAA just cut him loose, let him go be pro or
semi-pro and do whatever. And they had that opportunity
a couple of years ago and didn’t quite
have the courage to make that tough call. And let them create a new
whatever, call their bluff, and see what happens. ERIN MCDERMOTT: Yeah, thank you. We really have a divide
in college athletics right now between the true
educational model of college athletics and the
revenue generation model of college athletics. So it’s not all the
same for everybody. All right, so don’t be shy. We have a microphone in the
middle here of that aisle. There’s also a
microphone on that side. You’ll kind of be in
the dark, but it’s over there on that side if
it’s easier for you to get to. So does anyone have a question? I can keep going if you don’t. Come on, there’s gotta
be something out there. JOHN ROGERS: There’s
a woman there. ERIN MCDERMOTT: Oh, is
there someone over there? JOHN ROGERS: Over
there to the right. ERIN MCDERMOTT: Of course. [INTERPOSING VOICES] ERIN MCDERMOTT: Probably
if you have a question, start making your way out now. AUDIENCE: So my question is as
former student athletes, what is one piece of advice that you
wish you got in college when you were playing? JOHN ROGERS: You
want to go first? ARNE DUNCAN: You keep thinking. You guys are
probably feeling it. These years you just fly by. It’s a blink of an eye,
and you guys will be gone. And hopefully, you go
on to have great careers and interesting
lives, and do things. But there is something so
special about the camaraderie of being on these teams. And so just soaking it up. It doesn’t last forever. Four years are gone in
the blink of an eye. Enjoying it, working
as hard as you can, trying to get every piece of
it out of it that you can. Contribute as much as you can. Most of you won’t be fortunate
to play professionally and whatever, and this is
a culminating huge part of your life. And just to value it, to
soak it up every single day, and make the most out of it. JOHN ROGERS: I would think
as following up on that, my best friends in life are
people I went to the Lab School with. And I just have this
extraordinary group of friends. I wish that Coach
Carril had inspired us to stay in touch with
each other more as players. Because as you go to war
every day in practice, you build so much
respect for each other. Because of how hard you’re
working and the difference you’re making and
being a part of a team. And then, we all splintered. Some people went off to law
school, business school, different places. And unlike here, we came back
to Hyde Park, a lot of us. And so [INAUDIBLE] Lab
School found each other. I wish I could have been
pushed to stay in closer contact with my teammates. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve
been working harder at that, but I wish I’d
been told that when I was 20, 21, 22 years
old to really work at keeping those relationships. Because they’re all over the
country, all over the world. And it’d been nice
to have stayed in touch with more of them. ERIN MCDERMOTT: I’m not seeing– is anyone getting up? I’m going to ask one more
since you’re being quiet. We’re obviously in a lot of– without getting into
certainly your thoughts around the presidential
election and the 2020 campaign. But there’s a lot brewing,
let’s say, nationally, globally. So if there’s anything
you would like to share, I guess, with the
students as far as what you would
like for them to be thinking about in this
national global environment. Whether it’s business,
John, education, Arne, financial stability,
social mobility. JOHN ROGERS: I’ll just
tell you my views. I tell you, I’m
really fortunate. I’ve been asked to join some
really great corporate boards along with boards like
the University of Chicago. So maybe you know
from my bio, I’m on the board of
the New York Times, I’m on the board of directors
of McDonald’s, where I go to almost every day. I love McDonald’s. ERIN MCDERMOTT: He really does. He eats french fries every day. That’s that lack of
sports nutrition. JOHN ROGERS: And for last year
I’ve been on the board of Nike. And Nike has been a
really interesting place to be because the lead
director of Nike is Tim Cook– is the CEO of Apple. There are extraordinary
board members from John Thompson, the
former coach of Georgetown, who is 77 years old. To Phil Knight, of course,
the founder of Nike. And to be in the boardroom and
see them discussing these world issues and their views
on political leaders throughout the world and
what’s going to happen and what’s going to happen
when Chinese trade, what’s going to happen with the
political situations, and to have that global
perspective is something I wouldn’t trade for anything. And I’m learning so much. My view has been a little
bit of a contrary view. Trying to not be
political here because I respect everyone’s ideas. My mom was Republican
my dad was a Democrat, so I grew up in that way. Everyone knows I’m a very
liberal Democrat myself. I’ve been saying this
for the last year or so, I think Trump is going to be
history sooner than later. I think that as they
peel back the onion more and do more research and more– they get all the data and all
the information they need, they’re going to find more
and more problems for him. And I do think that, ultimately,
that means that we’ll have a President Pence. And so I’ve been having our
analysts do all their homework under the guise that we’ll
have a President Pence, and how will he handle all the
different regulatory matters and trade matters and global
issues, racial issues, all the things we’re
facing in our country. I want us to understand
and analyze that world under President Pence. And I know that is, again, the
contrary view because everyone thinks there’s not enough
Republicans to vote. But as you know, at this stage,
when Nixon was president, most of the Republicans were not
going to impeach Richard Nixon. Because more data came out
and more information came out, the tapes came out,
people switch league, quickly switched, and made it
clear that he had to resign. So that’s kind of
my perspective. ARNE DUNCAN: I
hope John’s right. I’m not quite as confident. He’s always smarter than I am. And again, to be clear, we
respect everyone’s views, but we happen to be
here so I’ll just give my view that I think
this is the most consequential election of our lifetime. And I just desperately hope
that you guys are active, that you guys are engaged,
and happy to debate all kinds of education policy
and economic policy and all that kind of stuff. But in my view,
this is actually– we’re fighting
for our democracy. This is so much bigger
than any individual issue. And I have never seen an
assault on our democracy like I see now. And when you say the
press is the enemy of the people, when
you want to become the only source of truth. I grew up thinking
democracy was rock solid. And I’m actually
very, very worried about the preservation
of our democracy. And things that I’ve taken
as a given all my life, I don’t take as a given anymore. And so I am worried
for our country. I’m worried for our kids. I’m worried for lots of things. And hate that we’re
in this situation. And I know often
young people don’t vote or think it does matter
or think this stuff isn’t relevant to us. And I would just
beg you, urge you to be to be active, to be
engaged, to participate. Because it’s not a
given those rights are going to continue
to exist going forward. JOHN ROGERS: I mean, I
just add to sort of tie it to the university as you know– I think all of you know there’s
a disproportionate amount of the leaders in the
President Obama’s cabinet were people that
came from Hyde Park. People like Austan Goolsbee,
leaders like Valerie Jarrett, senior advisor to the president. President Obama was
a Lab School parent when he moved to Washington. And so this idea of
taking ideas seriously. Arnie always talks about how
hard the president worked. He read all of his
briefing books, he stayed up late at
night to come and be prepared to lead our country. And we know that’s not
what we’re getting today. Someone who’s
watching television, not studying and reading, which
is antithetical to everything the university stands for. And so also when you talk
to leaders from here who were in the White
House, they’re just incredulous with
the kind of approach to governance that’s
there, and like Arne are terrified of what it means. And maybe that’s why I’m so
optimistic this can’t last. The rationality will come back,
and people will come on board. ERIN MCDERMOTT: OK, thank you. Does anyone have a one
last real quick question you want to throw out there? I saw someone
getting up to come. OK. AUDIENCE: I had a question
for secretary Duncan. And I just want to ask what’s
the solution to making college more affordable,
especially a school like the University of Chicago? ARNE DUNCAN: It’s
a simple question with not a simple answer. ERIN MCDERMOTT: Not
quite a fast one. ARNE DUNCAN: Obviously, you
have public, you have private. UFC happens to be
private, but let me just take this back
to my previous statement, and I will do that for a
reason that you guys probably come from 45 states,
maybe 50 states. You guys come from
all over the country. I would urge all of you to
look at your home states and look over the last 10 or 15
years, which state budget line item has gone up faster,
incarceration or higher education. And I guarantee you in every
single one of your states, we are spending
proportionally more every single year on
locking people up than we are on educating them. So the way to have
college costs come down is to vote for elected
officials who value that. And budgets aren’t
just things on paper. Budgets reflect our values. And somehow as a country
we’re happy to lock people up at 60, $65,000 a year,
and never debate that. But making college a little bit
more affordable or more access to pre-K or paying teachers
a little bit better, somehow those are huge,
very vigorous debates. And I want to be really
clear on this point. For me, it’s not a Democratic
issue or Republican or Liberal or Conservative. Having a great
educational system, that’s the best offense
our country can have. Our best defense is
a strong military, our best offense is
having the best educated populace in the world. And the final thing I’ll say
is I don’t blame politicians, I blame us as voters. Because none of us go
to the voting booth based upon what this elected
official, mayor, governor, congressman, senator,
president, what they’re going to do to make
college more affordable and to have better
educational outcomes. If you look at 2018 midterms,
6% of voters voted education. So every politician
loves photo ops, they love visiting
classrooms, they love patting little
kids on the head, they love reading stories. But we don’t hold
any politicians accountable for increasing
academic achievement or making college
more affordable. So until we start to
vote on these issues, and vote in people who
will invest in education and vote out those
that don’t, we’re going to continue to have
universities be too expensive. We’re going to continue to
under educate far too many kids. And we’re going
to continue to not provide pre-K, which I think
is the best investment we as a nation could do. ERIN MCDERMOTT: John, it looked
like you had something to add. JOHN ROGERS: I was
just going to add that when I know that Arne is
being his typical, humble self, he was committed to working to
make sure he could keep costs as low as possible, and to make
sure students were not leaving with too much student debt. And I can’t tell you
how much pressure he put on all the different
governmental bodies that he was influencing,
as well as the president directly, to make that a
priority because he wanted young people to be able to
come out of– whether it’s a private college
or a public college, without the kind of
sometimes the student debt that many private colleges
leave their students with. And I know we’re fortunate here
at the University of Chicago to have such an
extraordinary endowment, and we can sometimes–
we obviously work hard to make
it more affordable. But at the same
time, I understand that it’s really,
really important to have the kind of leadership
political that already represented, both
from– whether it’s an elected official or someone
that’s an appointed position. The Secretary of Education
has the enormous influence through the bully pulpit
to try to make sure that students are leaving
with the best opportunity to be successful in life. Because getting
a great education is important, but success
after you leave here is obviously the
most important point. And if people leave without
the kind of balance sheet they like to, it makes it more
difficult to be successful. But again, that’s more
of a broader conversation about public and
private institutions throughout the United States. ERIN MCDERMOTT: Well,
this has been amazing. So much fun for me. Thank you for joining our
Aims of Athletics address for this year. And I just want
to add– and then you can completely
honor them, is they both are incredibly humble. And we talk about humility being
something that will get you further than hubris. So hopefully, these are
two great models of that. But I just want
to emphasize these are two giants in their fields
and professions and their lives and what we do. And so thank you both for giving
us your time and your wisdom. And thank you all
for your attention. Go ahead, you can– thank you for being here. [APPLAUSE]

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