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>>WE HAVEN’T LAID OFF ANY EMPLOYEES, HOWEVER IN 2017 WE WOULD HAVE SPENT $120 MILLION INVESTING IN THE CANADIAN ECONOMY. LAST YEAR WE SLOWED DOWN TO $29 MILLION AND THIS YEAR WE’LL SPEND $10 MILLION IN SO IN TERMS OF EMPLOYMENT IN THE FIELD AND THESE ARE DRILLING RIGS COMPLETION WITH THE CONSTRUCTION FACILITIES TWO YEARS AGO, WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE EMPLOYED 350 CONTRACTORS AND TODAY I SAY THAT WE EMPLOY ABOUT 20.>>WOW. THAT IS PRETTY STARK WHEN YOU DO THE NUMBERS LIKE THAT. WE HAVE A QUESTION IN THE AUDIENCE. SEE, WE ARE GOING TO GET QUESTIONS, WHERE ARE WE GOING? HELLO. JUST YOUR NAME. GO AHEAD. AND I’M CONCERNED THAT I’M NOT HEARING ABOUT THE REPORT THAT CAME OUT IN THE FALL AND EVERY PANEL ON CBC AND EVERY ANSWER SHOULD BE COACHED IN THIS FACET AND THAT IT IS EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT WE HAVE 10 YEARS. AND I’M THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE NATURAL GAS BUT I THINK ABOUT AND MY QUESTION IS, WHY AREN’T THE POLITICIANS AND.>>YOU DON’T HAVE TO APOLOGISE. THERE IS AN ALBERTA TAX IN — A QUESTION FOR YOU. WHEN WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THESE ISSUES HOW CONCERNED ABOUT THESE WARNINGS.>>THEY ARE SAYING THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS VERY SERIOUS AND THEY’RE CONCERNED AND IT’S A CRISIS. AND THEY’RE ALSO SAYING THAT THE LACK OF NEW OIL PIPELINE CAPACITY IN THIS COUNTRY IS A CRISIS. AND ABOUT 90% OF THE PEOPLE IN THE PROVINCE ARE THAT WAY. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CHANGE OF WORK AND HOW WORK HAS TO INNOVATE AND JOBS AND INDUSTRY WILL EBB AND NEW ONES WILL FLOW, THE SENSE THAT I GET IN TERMS OF THE SENTIMENT THAT IS FELT IN THIS PROVINCE, I THINK OF GROWING UP WHEN THE COD FISHERY FELL APART IN NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR AND THERE WAS SO MUCH EMPATHY FOR WHAT THOSE PEOPLE WERE GOING THROUGH. AND THAT EMPATHY IS NOT THERE IN TERMS OF THE NATURAL RESOURCE SECTOR. SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE TWO TOUGH THINGS THAT NEED TO BE RECONCILED AND THE PREMIER IN THIS PROVINCE WAS AMONG SOME POLITICIAN WHOSE TRIED TO RECONCILE THEM BOTH BUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN’T SEEN NEW CAPACITY COME ONLINE YET HAS REALLY INTENSIFIED FEELINGS ON ONE SIDE.>>GOT IT. IT MAKES IT HARDER. I THINK THAT THE PRIME MINISTER WOULD AGREE THAT IT MAKES IT HARDER TO PUSH FORWARD WITH GREEN INITIATIVES WHEN YOU DON’T HAVE MORE PIPELINES BEING BUILT. I HAVE AN AUDIENCE QUESTION.>>I READ THE REPORT AND CLIMATE CHANGE IS A SERIOUS ISSUE AND I AGREE THAT A LOT OF ALBERTANS SEE THAT BUT I DON’T THINK THAT IT’S AN EITHER/OR, IF WE’RE GOING TO HAVE CLIMATE CHANGE WE CAN’T HAVE AN OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY. THAT’S JUST NOT THE CASE. EVEN IN SCENARIOS THAT MEET AGGRESSIVE CARBON GOTS WE STILL HAVE OIL AND GAS FOR DECADES TO COME AND THERE’S A ROLE TO DELIVER LOW-CARBON OIL AND GAS AS WE MAKE THAT TRANSITION. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LNG FACILITY THAT WE’RE BUILDING ON THE WEST COAST, THAT’S THE LOWEST CARBON L.N.G. IN THE WORLD. SO THAT’S THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN LEAD BY BRINGING OUR TECHNOLOGIES TO CANADA AND TO THE WORLD.>>Rosemary: ANOTHER AUDIENCE QUESTION WITH ADRIAN, GO AHEAD.>>I WORK AT KNIGHT POLYTECHNIQUE. AND THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE, I DON’T KNOW IF THE ALBERTA GOVERNMENT IS WITH THE PLANS FOR THE GOVERNMENT STRATEGICALLY TO DIVERSUS FEW IN OTHER INDUSTRIES OTHER THAN OIL AND GAS?>>Rosemary: I FEEL THAT YOU GUYS ALL WANT THE PREMIER HERE RIGHT NOW. I KNOW THAT SHE’S LISTENING AND MAYBE SHE’S TAKING SOME NOTES. I MEAN THAT WAS SORT OF THE FIRST QUESTION AROUND DIVERSIFICATION AND I THINK THAT A RECOGNITION THAT THERE HAVE TO BE OTHER WAYS FOR THE ECONOMY TO BE MOVING BUT ALSO OTHER WAYS TO BALANCE THE ENVIRONMENT AND EXPLORATION. DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH ON THAT? WHAT DO YOU HEAR FROM PEOPLE ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO BALANCE THOSE TWO ISSUES, ENERGY DEVELOPMENT AND THE ENVIRONMENT.>>WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WHAT WE’RE SEEING IS THERE ARE A PLETHORA OF OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT IS TO BE DONE ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND IT’S TEMPTING TO BOIL IT DOWN INTO IT’S EITHER THIS OR NOT THIS. MY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THOSE COMPLEXITIES THAT ALLOWS US TO CREATE THAT UNDERSTANDING SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN A WAY THAT IS RATIONAL AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS TRULY GOING ON. AND THEN CREATING A BETTER FUTURE TOGETHER.>>Rosemary: I FORGOT TO DO THIS OFF THE TOP TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE MAYOR OF DRAYTON VALLEY WHO IS IN THE AUDIENCE. THERE HE IS. AND THE MAYOR OF STURGEON COUNTY ALSO CAME IN. [Applause] MAYOR OF STURMINGON COUNTY. HELLO, NICE TO SEE YOU. AND WE HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS VIA VIDEO SO WE’LL GO TO ONE NOW.>>HELLO, I’M GARY NELSON. WHY CAN’T WE GET THE PIPELINE? LIKE, A PIPELINE IN THE GROUND AFTER THE GRASS STARTS GROWING AND YOU WILL NEVER SEE IT. IT’S THE CLEANEST WAY OF MOVING OIL. IF SOMEBODY IS WORRIED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT PUT IT IN A PIPELINE. CANADA HAS TO WORK TOGETHER. WHY WOULD WE BUY OIL FROM SAUDI ARABIA WHEN WE CAN GET IT FROM HERE?>>MY QUESTION IS IN ALBERTA WE’RE HARVESTING OIL FROM THE VARIOUS HIGH STANDARDS. JUST WONDERING WHY WE’RE BUYING OIL AND SHIPPING IT ACROSS THE OCEAN FROM COUNTRIES THAT DON’T HARVEST THAT OIL AT THAT STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE.>>Rosemary: SO THAT’S A QUESTION THEY HEAR A LOT AND MAYBE IT’S A QUESTION THAT HAS COME UP IN YOUR MINDS TOO. JACKIE, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A STAB AT THAT ONE, THE FACT THAT CANADA, AN EXPORTER OF CRUDE, AND MORE OIL THAN WE KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH AND YET EASTERN CANADA BARRELS OF OIL ARE STILL COMING IN FROM ELSEWHERE.>>YEAH, WE CONSUME 2.4 MILLION-BARRELS OF CRUDE, AND ABOUT .8% OF THAT IS IMPORTED. THE REASON IS HISTORICAL AND ALL ECONOMIC. WE’RE A LONG WAYS AWAY FROM EASTERN CANADA. TO BUILD A PIPELINE AND TO MOVE THAT OIL ACROSS THE COUNTRY WAS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN TO GET OIL DELIVERED FROM OVERSEAS. AND SO THAT HAS BEEN THE WAY THAT IT’S ALWAYS BEEN BECAUSE THE ECONOMICS SAID THAT THAT’S THE WAY TO DO IT. OF COURSE WE’RE NOT AS SECURE IN TERMS OF OUR ENERGY SECURITY AND TODAY WE HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF OIL AND THERE’S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET MORE OIL TO EASTERN CANADA. BUT WE DON’T HAVE A PIPELINE.>>Rosemary: WE DON’T HAVE A PIPELINE. IT’S COMING DOWN TO THE REGIONAL BASE FOR WHERE OIL MOVES AND HOW IT GETS REFINED. I DID LOOK IT UP THOUGH BECAUSE I HEAR IT A LOT AND SO I’LL GO TO KRISTEN AND SHACHI AND I DID MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD A STATISTIC ON TAP. NATURAL RESOURCES CANADA SAYS THAT IT’S ABOUT 12% RIGHT NOW OF THE TOTAL THAT WE EXPORT, THE MOST FROM THE UNITED STATES. CHRIS AND THEN SHACHI. COME THEN TO THE AUDIENCE.>>I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE WHICH IS A KEY, KEY ISSUE AND THE WHOLE DEBATE AS HUNTER HAS MENTION ARE MENTIONED — MENTIONED IS VERY POLARIZED. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ALL FORMS OF ENERGY BUT OIL AND GAS AS WELL, WE HAVE TO LOOK BROADER IN TERMS OF WHERE WE SOURCE OUR ENERGY AND CLIMATE CHANGE IS IMPORTANT AND ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS, BUT THERE’S OTHER ELEMENTS AS WELL THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER ELEMENTS, WORKER SAFETY, HUMAN RIGHTS, GENDER EQUALITY, RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, INDIGENOUS CONSULTATION. ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS, THERE IS NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT HOLDS A CANDLE TO CANADA. WE’RE THE BEST IN THE WORLD AT IT. SO WE SHOULD BE DEVELOPING OUR OWN RESOURCE. AND I CAN’T ANSWER THE GENTLEMAN’S QUESTION WHY WE’RE IMPORTING FROM OTHER PLACES.>>Rosemary: I THINK IT’S THE LACK OF GETTING IT THERE.>>BUT WHY ARE WE DOING THAT?>>Rosemary: SACH ?E.>>IT SPEAKS TO POLITICAL WILL AND IT SPEAKS TO THE FACT IN THIS COUNTRY WE’RE NOT MONOLITHIC AT ALL WITH OUR VIEWS. THESE ARE VERY MICRO-REGIONAL VIEWS. SO PART OF THE REASON THAT WE DON’T HAVE ENERGY EAST IS BECAUSE QUÉBECERS ARE FIRMLY NOT IN FAVOUR AND FIRMLY OPPOSED TO ENERGY EAST. AND THEY ARE AN OUTLIER ON THAT FRONT, ABOUT HALF OF THE COUNTRY, IN FACT, WE’D BE OKAY WITH AN ENERGY EAST PIPELINE. SO WHEN YOU HAVE REGIONS — BRITISH COLUMBIANS ARE VERY DIVIDED ON THE ISSUE OF THE PIPELINE THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THEIR PROVINCE. ABOUT 50% SAY, YES, OKAY, AND THE OTHER HALF SAY NO. QUÉBECERS ARE ALL TOGETHER NOT ONSIDE WITH ANY PIPELINES AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE ISSUE OF WHO SHOULD HAVE SORT OF THAT NO, THAT VETO, WHEN AND HOW SHOULD THAT VOICE CARRY MORE WEIGHT, CERTAINLY IF YOU ARE AT GROUND ZERO WHERE A PIPELINE TERMINUS POINT WOULD BE, YOU’RE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BE OPPOSED TO IT AND THOSE VOICES, I THINK PARTICULARLY IN QUÉBEC, HAVE CARRIED A LOT OF WEIGHT AND THEY’RE FIGHTING PRETTY HARD IN BRITISH COLUMBIA AND AS A RESULT WE SEE QUESTIONS LIKE THIS FROM, YOU KNOW, ABOUT SIX OUT OF 10 CANADIANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WHETHER THEY’RE IN ONTARIO OR MANITOBA OR ATLANTIC CANADA OR ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN, SAYING WHY CAN’T WE GET THIS DONE. IN PART BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH DISPARATE REGIONAL VIEWS ON THESE ISSUES. AND GOD HELP A POLITICIAN TRYING TO THREAD THE NEEDLE ON THIS.>>Rosemary: OKAY, THE GENTLEMAN OUT HERE, HELLO.>>HI, MY NAME IS KARIM. YOU HAVE CREATED A CRISIS OF CONFIDENCE HERE IN ALBERTA WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY DAMAGED OUR ECONOMY. YOU CONTINUE TO TAKE $24 BILLION A YEAR OUT OF OUR PROVINCE AND THEN YOU SPEND IT IN YOUR OTHER PROVINCES AND YOU MAKE OFF LIKE YOU DON’T USE GAS AND OIL ON A DAILY BASIS. HERE IN ALBERTA, WE HELP TO SUPPLY THE REST OF THE COUNTRY WITH MONEY AND YET THE REST OF CANADA AND OUR PRIME MINISTER WHO HAS BEEN A DISASTER FOR US HAS CREATED AN UNBELIEVABLE CRISIS OF CONFIDENCE IN OUR ECONOMY. WE SHOULD BE SWIMMING FOR MONEY HERE IN ALBERTA AND WE’RE NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT IS GOING ON OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.>>Rosemary: OKAY, THANK YOU. AND, AGAIN, THAT’S A SENTIMENT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE SHARE. [Applause] THERE YOU GO. YOU WANT TO JUST START WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT’S VERY MUCH THE NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT.>>ABSOLUTELY. ALBERTANS ARE FEELING REALLY ISOLATED COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. LET’S FACE IT, YOU FEEL THAT THE REST OF THE COUNTRY DOESN’T GET YOU RIGHT NOW AND PARTICULARLY CENTRAL CANADA, PARTICULARLY PARTS OF ONTARIO AND QUÉBEC. AND NOWHERE ELSE — NO OTHER PROVINCE IS SEEN — I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU BY THE REST OF THE COUNTRY TO BE GIVING MORE THAN IT GETS FROM CONFEDERATION. NOW, THAT’S ONLY ABOUT A THIRD OF THE COUNTRY THAT FEELS THAT WAY, BUT THERE IS NO OTHER PROVINCE THAT COMES CLOSE TO ALBERTA IN TERMS OF THAT SENTIMENT IN THE SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU MAY BE GETTING A RAW DEAL THESE DAYS. AT THE SAME TIME I WOULD SAY THAT PEOPLE COAST-TO-COAST ARE MORE ENGAGED ON THIS FILE THAN THEY HAVE BEEN IN YEARS. I THINK THAT A LOT OF CANADIANS, PARTICULARLY EAST OF MANITOBA, REGARDED THE PIPELINE FILE AS AN ALBERTA ISSUE. OR AT MOST AN ALBERTA-B.C. ISSUE. I THINK THAT NOW WE’RE STARTING TO SEE THE NEEDLE MOVE AND SEE IT AS A CANADIAN ISSUE. WHY? TWO REASONS QUICKLY. ONE, WE ALL BOUGHT A PIPELINE, RIGHT? THEY TALK ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT BUYING A PIPELINE, YOU BOUGHT A PIPELINE AND YOU BOUGHT A PIPELINE AND WE ALL OWN A PIPELINE. SO EVERYONE FEELS A STAKE IN THE ISSUE. AND THE SECOND FACTOR IS THE — IS THE ALL-OUT P.R. CAMPAIGN THAT THE GOVERNMENT OF ALBERTA, IT DOESN’T MATTER IF IT’S AN N.D.P. GOVERNMENT, THIS IS A PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT THAT IS ADVOCATING IN ITS PROVINCES’ INTEREST, RUNNING ADS COAST-TO-COAST AND TALKING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF PIPELINES. AND WE HAVE STARTED TO SEE THE NEEDLE TICK IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AS A RESULT. NOT AS QUICKLY AND NOT AS MUCH AS A LOT OF YOU IN THIS ROOM AND THIS PROVINCE WOULD LIKE BUT IT’S STARTING TO MOVE A LITTLE.>>Rosemary: DOWNTOWN OTTAWA, SORT NOT FAR FROM PARLIAMENT HILL, THERE’S A PROJECTION THAT THE GOVERNMENT OF ALBERTA HAS PAID FOR AND TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY IS LOST EVERY DAY THAT THE PIPELINE IS NOT EXPANDED. SO IF YOU DON’T THINK THAT IT’S ON PEOPLE’S MINDS, YOUR GOVERNMENT IS MAKING SURE THAT WE THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. YEAH, CHRIS?>>I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO IT AS WELL BECAUSE THAT’S THE SEMINAL QUESTION HERE IN ALBERTA AND THANK YOU FOR ASKING IT. WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC CRISIS HERE IN ALBERTA AND PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED AND THEY’RE ANGRY. I THINK IT SHOWED IN YOUR VOICE. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 40 YEARS THERE’S SERIOUS TALK OF OPERATION IN ALBERTA. AND THAT’S NOT A GOOD THING. PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED AND ANGRY BECAUSE WE CAN’T BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE PIPELINES — AND THIS IS BOTH OIL AND NATURAL GAS — TO GET A WORLD PRICE, A FAIR PRICE, FOR OUR NATURAL RESOURCES FOR THE BENEFITS OF ALL CANADIANS. THIS IS NOT SIMPLY AN ALBERTA MATTER. WHAT WE NEED IS A STRONG, CLEAR RELIABLE WORKABLE REGULATORY SYSTEM TO ALLOW FOR THE BUILDING OF ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE CAN DO THAT. THIS CRISIS THAT WE FACE, IT’S ENTIRELY MADE IN CANADA BY CANADIANS AND WE CAN SOLVE THIS. BUT WHAT IT’S GOING TO TAKE IS A CLEAR AND AN UNEQUIVOCAL STRONG COMMITMENT FROM OUR GOVERNMENT FOR THE NATURAL RESOURCES INDUSTRY.>>Rosemary: THEY WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT BILL C-69 WHICH YOU ALL KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT, THAT THE BILL THAT IS NOW LOOKED AT BY THE SENATE TO OVERHAUL THE NATIONAL ENERGY BOARD, TO CREATE ONE REGULATOR, AND TO TRY — THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD SUGGEST TO KEEP THE TIMELINES TIGHTER AND TO DO THINGS BETTER. THEY WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS THEIR RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT.>>I EQUATE IT TO GETTING YOUR DEGREE. YOU WANT TO KNOW THREE THINGS — WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO GET THERE? HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE ME? AND HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST. AND SO IF YOUR CHILD HAS TO TAKE THESE COURSES AND IT WILL TAKE YOU FOUR YEARS AND IT WILL COST $100,000 OR WHATEVER IT COSTS, UNDER BILL C-69 WE DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS. WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO, HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE AND WHAT WILL IT COST? THERE’S NO COMPANY THAT WILL UNDERTAKE AN ENERGY PROJECT UNDER BILL C-69 IN ITS CURRENT FORM.>>Rosemary: BUT THEY’RE NOT DOING IT NOW EITHER. BUT THEY’RE NOT DOING IT NOW EITHER. THAT’S WHY WE OWN A PIPELINE.>>VERY TRUE. AND THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE HERE IN ALBERTA IS 10 YEARS IN THE MAKING. THIS DIDN’T HAPPEN YESTERDAY OR LAST WEEK. IT’S GOING TO TAKE A COUPLE YEARS TO CORRECT IT. AND HAVING SAID THAT, THE CURRENT PROCESS THAT WE HAVE THROUGH THE NATIONAL ENERGY BOARD IS NOT PERFECT BUT IT’S BEEN 50 YEARS IN THE MAKING OR MORE AND VETTED THROUGH THE COURTS. WE HAVE NOW LEARNED A LOT AND WE KNOW THAT IT’S BEEN THROUGH THE COURTS AND NOW OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL SAY WE WILL TAKE THOSE COURT DECISIONS AND THROW THEM OUT OF THE WINDOW AND START FROM SCRATCH WITH TWO DISTINCT PROCESSES. THAT’S NOT A GOOD THING.>>Rosemary: OKAY, I’LL GO BACK TO A VIDEO QUESTION. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION IN THE AUDIENCE, PUT UP YOUR HAND. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION IN OUR STREAMING PLATFORMS, POP IT IN THE COMMENTS. AND THE PREMIER IS COMING UP SHORTLY AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR HER TOO. BUT LET’S LOOK AT THIS ONE… (♪♪♪)>>MY NAME IS FRED KERR. BEFORE I STARTED DOING COMEDY I WAS AN INSTITUTIONAL STOCKBROKER AND MY JOB WAS TO ADVISE INTERNATIONAL FUND MANAGERS ON THEIR INVESTMENTS IN ALBERTA COMPANIES. YOU KNOW THAT PROMISE THAT TRUDEAU AND NOTLEY MADE THAT IF WE PAY ENOUGH TAX THAT WE CAN BUILD ALL OF THE PIPELINES THAT WE WANT? I THINK THAT ALBERTANS AND INVESTORS ALIKE EXPECT THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT DRIVES THE ECONOMY IS PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENT. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS DONE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS HAVE PUT INVESTORS OFF TO THE POINT THAT A LOT OF MY FORMER CLIENTS WON’T TOUCH ALBERTA NOW. MY QUESTION IS — WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO DO TO ATTRACT PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENTS BACK TO THIS PROVINCE? I WANT TO THANK YOU. MY NAME IS FRED KERR. [Applause]>>Rosemary: THAT’S SPECIFIC ALBERTA HUMOUR THAT HE’S DOING THERE. I LIKE THAT. AND WE’LL PUT THAT QUESTION TO THE PREMIER FOR SURE BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT THE INVESTMENT — AND I HAD A NUMBER HERE THAT I’M LOOKING FOR RIGHT NOW — IT HAS DROPPED OFF. EVEN JUST OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF. PEOPLE AREN’T WILLING TO INVEST CAPITAL FOR THE REASONS THAT YOU’RE SAYING, THEY JUST DON’T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT. HAVE YOU SEEN THAT YOURSELF?>>WE HAVE SEEN IT IN SPADES IN ALBERTA WITH THE REDUCED ACTIVITY. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE SEEN IT IN TERMS OF CANADIAN COMPANIES STARTING TO INVEST OUTSIDE OF CANADA AND MAKING LARGE ACQUISITIONS AND THIS IS, AGAIN, NOT JUST OIL AND GAS BUT MINING. THEY’RE TOO FRUSTRATED DEALING IN CANADA WHICH IS NOT A STATEMENT THAT I’M HAPPY TO SAY AS A PROUD CANADIAN. NOT ONLY REDUCED FOREIGN INVESTMENT IN CANADA, BUT CANADIAN COMPANIES ARE LOOKING ELSEWHERE BECAUSE IT’S TOO FRUSTRATING.>>THERE’S REAL EVIDENCE IN TERMS OF THE COMPANIES’ ABILITIES TO RAISE EQUITY OR DEBT. LAST YEAR IN 2018 WE RAISED $1 BILLION — THIS IS A INDUSTRY WITH $100 BILLION IN REVENUE AND WE RAISED $1 BILLION IN EQUITY AND DEBT AND A TYPICAL YEAR WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE $14 BILLION. SO INVESTORS ARE GOING. AND I THINK THAT GETTING IT FOR OUR INVESTMENTS IS CRITICAL. AND AS IT STANDS NOW INVESTORS DON’T HAVE TO INVEST IN CANADA AND THEY CAN INVEST ANYWHERE. WITH THESE DIFFERENTIALS AND WITH THE MARKET ACCESS ISSUES THERE’S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY. WHY WOULD YOU PUT YOUR DOLLARS HERE? AND THEY’RE NOT.>>Rosemary: OKAY, ADRIAN HAS A QUESTION IN THE AUDIENCE. YES, SIR.>>HI, MY NAME IS NICK. I WONDER IF THE PANEL MIGHT DISCUSS WHAT KIND OF TOOLS DOES ALBERTA HAVE TO PRESSURE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT PIPELINES? I DON’T THINK THEY WANT TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IT SEEMS THEY HAVE ABDICATED THEIR FEDERAL RESPONSIBILITY. I MEAN, THEY ALREADY HAVE RIGHTS-OF-WAY AND THIS IS A FEDERAL JURISDICTION THEY DO NOT WISH TO EXERCISE.>>Rosemary: THAT ECHOES SOMETHING THAT JASON KENNEY TOLD ME LAST NIGHT, IN CASE YOU THINK THAT I’M IGNORING HIM, I MET WITH HIM YESTERDAY AND THAT IS ON “THE NATIONAL” TONIGHT. IT ECHOES CONCERNS THAT HE HAS AND SOMETHING TO PUT TO THE PREMIER. HUNTER, MAYBE YOU CAN TALK A BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU’RE SEEING OUT THERE IN TERMS OF A CALL TO DO SOMETHING. BECAUSE THERE’S BIG INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES THAT DO WANT THE PIPELINE AND THEY FEEL THIS GOVERNMENT, THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT DOING ENOUGH OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT DOING ENOUGH?>>I THINK THAT IT’S IMPORTANT TO ASK WHAT CAN BE DONE. I THINK THAT WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOT LOSE SIGHT OF IS THAT WE’RE SEEING THE VERY UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP THAT INDIGENOUS PEOPLES HAVE WITH THE GOVERNMENT. WE HAVE OUR TREATY RIGHTS WHICH ARE ENSHRINED WITHIN THE CONSTITUTION SO WHAT WE’RE SEEING IS NOT ONLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BUT THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM ENSURING THAT THOSE RIGHTS ARE PROTECTED.>>Rosemary: YEAH. AND SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW IS GOING AROUND AND CONSULTING ON THE EXPANSION OF THE PIPELINE BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAID THAT YOU DID NOT DO A GOOD ENOUGH JOB THE FIRST TIME AROUND. SO THAT PROCESS HAS STARTED. I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU COULD DO TO SPEED IT UP. AND JASON KENNEY IN THIS INTERVIEW SAID THAT YOU COULD HAVE APPEALED THE FEDERAL COURT DECISION. SHACHI, DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN THERE?>>THERE’S THE LEGAL AND THE GOVERNMENTAL AND THE LEGISLATIVE MECHANISMS AND THEN THERE’S PEOPLE POWER. THIS IS A DOUBLE ELECTION YEAR IN ALBERTA. AND I THINK ONE THING THAT WE’RE SEEING REGARDLESS OF WHO IS IN POWER IS A SENSE THAT OTTAWA ISN’T LISTENING. WE SEE THIS THEME OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND, BY THE WAY, THIS IS THE ONE THING THAT YOU HAVE IN COMMON WITH THE OTHER FOUR WESTERN PROVINCES. YOU MAY FEEL THAT YOU DON’T HAVE A LOT IN COMMON, BUT YOU DO, AND IT’S THE SENSE OF BEING ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE SAW THE MOVIE BEFORE — THREE DECADES AGO — WITH THE RISE OF THE REFORM PARTY COMING OUT OF NOWHERE AND FEELING THAT IT CAME OUT OF NOWHERE BUT, OF COURSE OF COURSE IT WAS A VERY LONG SIMMERING SENSE OF RESENTMENT. WILL THIS BE THE YEAR WHEN WE START TO SEE FLASHPOINTS WHERE PEOPLE IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY JUST SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE HAVE HEARD FROM ALL OF YOU THREE MAIN PARTIES BEFORE AND WE’RE LOOKING FOR A DIFFERENT LEVER TO POLL AND WE’VE HAD ENOUGH, AND WE’LL DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. INDEED, WE PUT OUT NUMBERS TODAY FROM THE ANGUS REID INSTITUTE THAT INDICATES A THIRD OF PEOPLE IN WESTERN CANADA AND 40% OF ALBERTANS SAY THEY WOULD VOTE FOR A WESTERN CANADIAN PARTY. OF COURSE, THERE ISN’T ONE THAT EXISTS TODAY. [laughter] BUT IF IT DID, IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE ONE THAT IS PULLING FROM ALL THREE FEDERAL PARTIES. SO YOU HAVE AS VOTERS THE POWER TO REALLY PUT THE HEAT — NOT JUST TO THE GOVERNMENT IN POWER TODAY — THE GOVERNMENTS IN POWER — BUT REALLY TO THE OPPOSITION AND SAY, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO DIFFERENTLY ASIDES FROM SAYING, WELL, THOSE PEOPLE AREN’T DOING IT RIGHT.>>Rosemary: AND A CRITICAL YEAR FOR YOU AND YOU HAVE A PROVINCIAL AND A FEDERAL ELECTION. THERE’S A LOVELY MAN UP HERE WHO HAD HIS HAND UP FOR WAY TOO LONG. SO WE’LL GET SOMEONE TO YOU. BUT WE’LL TAKE ONE MORE AUDIENCE QUESTION AND THEN WE’LL GET THE PREMIER OUT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM HIM.>>MY NAME IS WILLIAM. ON INVESTOR CONFIDENCE. WHY DO WE KEEP HEARING THAT THINGS ARE DOWN BUT ALL WE HEAR FROM THE GOVERNMENT IS THAT THINGS ARE UP?>>Rosemary: DO WE HEAR THAT?>>IT DEPENDS WHAT PART OF THE COUNTRY THAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT AND, FORTUNATELY, THERE ARE PARTS OF THIS COUNTRY THAT ARE DOING WELL. OF COURSE, AS A CANADIAN I WANT TO SEE ALL PARTS OF THIS COUNTRY DO WELL. BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, TODAY ALBERTA IS NOT ONE OF THEM. IN TERMS OF INVESTOR CONFIDENCE IT GOES BACK AGAIN TO THE REGULATORY PROCESS. HOW CAN YOU ASK INVESTORS TO INVEST WHEN NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THE RULES ARE AND THE TIMEFRAMES ARE AND THE DECISION PROCESS. WHAT PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO SEE IS WHAT HAPPENED ON NORTHERN GATEWAY WITH ENBRIDGE. WE SPENT FIVE OR SIX YEARS IN A REGULATORY PROCESS, AND THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED, AND ENBRIDGE SPENT — I DON’T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH — OVER HALF A BILLION DOLLARS –>>Rosemary: OVER HALF A BILLION –>>OVER HALF A BILLION DOLLARS GETTING APPROVAL AND THE GOVERNMENT SAID THAT WE WILL NOT DO THAT. NO INVESTOR WILL BACK THAT. WE NEED A CLEAR, DEFINED, WORKABLE, REGULATORY PROCESS.>>Rosemary: DOESN’T THE FEDERAL — AND I’LL END IT HERE AND BRING IN THE PREMIER — DOESN’T THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY IN MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT IS IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST, RIGHT?>>ABSOLUTELY.>>Rosemary: WHAT IS THE SAFEST PIPELINE, WHAT IS THE ONE THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THE COUNTRY — LIKE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THEY SHOULDN’T BE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS OR THAT THE PROCESS LEADING UP TO THEM SHOULD BE DIFFERENT?>>I THINK THAT THE PROCESS LEADING UP TO IT SHOULD BE DIFFERENT. THESE INVESTORS NEED SOME FAST FEEDBACK AND, AGAIN, LET’S USE NORTHERN GATEWAY. IF THAT IS THE CASE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FEELS THAT A PIPELINE SHOULD NOT BE BUILT THERE, THEN THE WHOLE REGULATORY PROCESS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN UNDERTAKEN. BUT TO HAVE A COMPANY UNDERTAKE IT FOR THAT MANY YEARS — HALF A BILLION DOLLARS LATER AND THEN SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE DON’T THINK THAT A PIPELINE SHOULD GO THERE? THAT DOESN’T BENEFIT ANYBODY. IT DOESN’T BENEFIT CANADIANS TO HAVE OUR OWN COMPANIES TO BE CUT OFF AT THE KNEES LIKE THAT, TO WASTE THAT MUCH TIME AND MONEY OF OUR RESOURCES.>>Rosemary: OKAY, I’M GOING TO SEND THESE GUYS AWAY BRIEFLY IF THAT’S OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THEY’LL COME BACK. [Applause] AND WE WILL BRING OUT THE PREMIER OF ALBERTA. MOST OF THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ONRHINE AND HAVE BEEN FOR THE PREMIER AND I FEEL THAT MOST OF YOUR QUESTIONS ARE FOR THE PREMIER. SO WE’LL GET TO SOME OF THOSE AS SOON AS SHE GETS OUT HERE. ARE YOU ENJOYING YOURSELVES? GOOD. [Applause] GOOD. ARE YOU FEELING SOME LOVE? THAT’S PART OF WHY I’M HER OKAY. SO I’VE GOT TO MOVE OVER A LITTLE BIT AND THE PREMIER WILL AND INTO THE MIDDLE AND WE’LL GET GOING. PREMIER RACHEL NOTLEY. HERE SHE IS. SAY HELLO TO YOUR PREMIER, EVERYBODY. HELLO. I WILL TEASE HER BECAUSE SHE WALKED TO WORK THIS MORNING AND LOOKS FROZEN.>>IT WAS FRESH AND THE SUN CAME OUT SO THAT’S THE THING ABOUT ALBERTA WINTERS.>>Rosemary: BRAVE, BRAVE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. A LOT OF QUESTIONS ONLINE FOR YOU AS WELL. WE ARE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION. AND BARB IS ASKING ON FACEBOOK, WHAT DOES THE PREMIER SAY OR THINK ABOUT THE DERAILMENT THAT HAPPENED IN B.C., THREE PEOPLE DIED IN THAT DERAILMENT. IT WASN’T SHIPPING OIL, FORTUNATELY, BUT YOU ARE LOOKING TO BUY RAIL CARS AND YOU WANT TO SHIP MORE BY RAIL BECAUSE YOU DON’T HAVE A PIPELINE. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE FACT THAT THAT ACCIDENT HAPPENED AT ALL?>>WELL, I MEAN, LET ME START, OF COURSE, BY OFFERING MY AND ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE OF ALBERTA THE CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILIES OF THE WORKERS THAT DIED IN THAT CRASH. IT’S A TRAGEDY. AND, QUITE FRANKLY, EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO PROMOTE SAFETY IN THE WORKPLACE IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DO. THAT’S NOT RED TAPE, THAT’S GOOD MANAGEMENT AND THAT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND SO IT IS VERY TRAGIC THAT THAT HAPPENED. AND SO I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT WE’RE ABLE TO SEE A QUICK INVESTIGATION AND A QUICK SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WE CAN CHANGE THE WAY THAT THINGS ARE DONE SO THAT FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THAT IMPORTANT WORK ARE KEPT SAFE IN THEIR WORKPLACE AND GET HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES.>>Rosemary: DOES IT GIVE YOU PAUSE THOUGH WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING FOR LEASING THOUSANDS OF RAIL CARS, DOES IT GIVE YOU PAUSE?>>WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE ALL KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT PIPELINES ARE THE SAFEST WAY TO MOVE PRODUCTS — OIL AND GAS PRODUCTS THROUGH CANADA. WE ALL KNOW THAT AND THAT’S WHY WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING SINCE DAY ONE OF OUR GOVERNMENT, CERTAINLY, TO GET MORE PIPELINES BUILT. AND IN PARTICULAR TO GET A PIPELINE TO TIDEWATER. WE ALL KNOW THAT MANY GOODS ARE SHIPPED EACH AND EVERY DAY ON RAIL THROUGHOUT — THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. BUT, QUITE FRANKLY, WHAT ALL ALBERTANS WANT IS FOR OUR PRODUCTS TO BE SHIPPED BY PIPELINES. PIPELINES. BUT THE OTHER PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAVE COME TO A POINT AFTER DECADES OF FAILURES ON THE PART OF SUCCESSIVE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS WE HAVEN’T GOTTEN THE PIPELINES BUILT AND WE’RE IN A POSITION NOW IN ALBERTA WHERE WE’VE HAD TO TAKE THE UNPRECEDENTED STEP OF PULLING BACK ON PRODUCTION IN ORDER TO BRING BACK THE PRICE THAT WE GET IN ALBERTA, TO BRING IT BACK UP FOR THIS PRODUCT. AND THAT IS AN UNSUSTAINABLE SITUATION, IT’S A NON-ECONOMIC SITUATION. IT HAS CONSEQUENCES. PEOPLE ARE HURT BY THAT DECISION TOO. AND IT’S A FUNCTION OF OUR COUNTRY NOT WORKING THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD WHEN IT COMES TO THE SIMPLE ACT OF MOVING IMPORTANT PRODUCTS FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER SO THAT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUY THEM CAN. AND ALSO SO THAT THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE CAN GROW ECONOMICALLY BECAUSE, WELL, I’M SURE THAT WE’LL GET BACK INTO IT, BUT I HAVE TO SAY FROM THE VERY OUTSET THAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING A LOT — YOU HAVE HEARD A LOT IN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS AND, OF COURSE, WE IN ALBERTA HAVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT IT FOR YEARS ABOUT HOW ALBERTANS AND ALBERTA FAMILIES THAT ARE STRUGGLING AS A RESULT OF THE DROP IN THE PRICE OF OIL AND WHAT’S HAPPENING TO OUR INDUSTRY ENERGY, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE FOLKS ON THE FRONTLINE AND THOSE WORKING IN DOWNTOWN CALGARY AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. BUT I ALSO NEED TO SAY THAT IT’S NOT JUST THEM. IT’S ALSO THE ASPIRING FINE ART STUDENT WHO LIVES IN DOWNTOWN TORONTO. IT IS ALSO THE SCHOOL PRINCIPAL WHO LIVES IN ST. JOHN’S, NEWFOUNDLAND. IT IS THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNER WHO LIVES ON VANCOUVER ISLAND. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THIS — THE INCREDIBLE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT EACH AND EVERY CANADIAN ENJOYS IN THIS COUNTRY IS IN LARGE PART DUE TO CANADA’S ENERGY INDUSTRY. OUR RESOURCE INDUSTRY AND IN PARTICULAR THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY HERE IN ALBERTA. AND SO WHEN WE’RE UNABLE TO DO THAT THING IN A WAY THAT IS ECONOMICALLY AND STRATEGICALLY SMART, THEN EVERYBODY SUFFERS. SO WE’RE TALKING TO ALBERTANS HERE BUT IT ACTUALLY HAS CONSEQUENCES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.>>Rosemary: IF IT WAS A SIMPLE THING THOUGH WE’D HAVE THE PIPELINE ALREADY. BUT IT’S NOT A SIMPLE THING. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE. LOLA STRAND IS IN THE AUDIENCE AND HAS A QUESTION BUT WE HAVE A BIT OF HER BACK STORY FIRST. SO HERE’S LOLA…>>SURE. (♪♪♪)>>MY NAME IS LOLA STRAND. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN DRAYTON VALLEY WITH MY PARENTS. I HAVE STRONG ROOTS HERE. SO THE LAST 13 YEARS I HAVE BEEN EMPLOYED WITH THE DISTRICT FAMILY COMMUNITY SUPPORT SERVICES. WHAT WE HAVE NOTICED OVER THE LAST SPECIFICALLY COUPLE YEARS IS THAT THE FOLKS THAT ARE COMING IN LOOKING FOR RESOURCES ARE THOSE PEOPLE WHO NEVER IMAGINED THAT THEY WOULD EVER BE IN A POSITION TO BE LOOKING FOR SUPPORTS THAT WAY. THEY ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE LOSING THEIR JOBS DUE TO THE DOWNTURN IN THE ECONOMY. SO DESPITE THE FACT THAT MANY OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE PLANS FOR THE BOOM AND BUST CYCLES THAT WE DO GO THROUGH IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT IT’S JUST GOING ON TOO LONG THIS TIME. AND THEIR SAVINGS ARE DEPLETED AND THEY’RE USING CREDIT AND THAT IS STARTING TO RUN OUT AS WELL. AND, UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW THEY MAY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO MOVE AWAY FROM THIS COMMUNITY AND POSSIBLY TO MOVE AWAY FROM ALBERTA. IT’S REALLY SAD BECAUSE MANY OF THESE PEOPLE, THIS IS THEIR HOME AND THEY’VE BEEN HERE ALL OF THEIR LIFE.>>Rosemary: SO LOLA IS IN THE AUDIENCE. THANK YOU FOR COMING, LOLA. AND YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE PREMIER?>>MY QUESTION IS FOR YOU IS WHAT CAN YOU DO TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE CAN REMAIN IN THEIR COMMUNITIES IN DRAYTON VALLEY AND ALBERTA AND NOT HAVE TO LEAVE?>>WELL, THANK YOU, LOLA, FOR THAT QUESTION. AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, TELLING FOLKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE. BECAUSE IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT. I KNOW THAT FOLKS ACROSS THE PROVINCE ARE REALLY STRUGGLING AS A RESULT OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE UNPRECEDENTED DROP IN THE PRICE OF OIL AND THE FACT THAT WE’RE STRUGGLING NOW WITH GETTING OUR PRODUCT TO A PLACE THAT IT CAN BE PURCHASED. AND SO YOU’VE PUT A REALLY GOOD POINT ON IT. SO THERE’S A LOT OF THINGS. OBVIOUSLY, THE FIRST THING THAT — I THINK THAT EVERYONE AGREES IS THAT WE HAVE TO GET THE PIPELINE BUILT IN ORDER TO — TO BRING BACK THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET A BETTER PRICE FOR THE PRODUCT AND TO BRING MORE INVESTMENT BACK TO ALBERTA AND TO PUT FOLKS BACK TO WORK THERE. BUT IN THE SHORTER TERM OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN WORKING SINCE WE’VE BEEN ELECTED TO FIND WAYS TO SUPPORT FAMILIES AND WORKERS WHO LIVE IN THESE COMMUNITIES. AT THE OUTSET WHEN WE — WHEN THIS ALL HAPPENED, WE MADE A DECISION THAT WE WERE GOING TO CONTINUE AS A GOVERNMENT TO FUND THOSE OTHER ELEMENTS OF — OF THE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMMES THAT PEOPLE RELY ON AND PERHAPS MORE, GIVEN WHAT’S BEEN GOING ON. SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE HEALTH CARE, EDUCATION, SOCIAL SUPPORT, HOUSING, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, WE DID THAT. WE ALSO INVESTED IN A LOT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE IN ORDER TO HELP PEOPLE TO GET DIFFERENT KINDS OF WORK. OFTEN NOT AS GOOD-PAYING WORK BUT AT LEAST SOME KIND OF WORK. SO WE ACTUALLY ACCELERATED QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY OUR INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS IN ALBERTA AS SORT OF A COUNTER CYCLICAL THING. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION PROGRAMMES, SPECIFICALLY GEARED TO SMALLER COMMUNITIES. THE CARES PROGRAMME, WE HAVE ABOUT 200 PROGRAMMES THAT WE HAVE FUNDED TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS AND ENTREPRENEURIAL FOLK THIS IS THESE COMMUNITIES. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING. YOU KNOW, WE DON’T — WE DON’T WANT PEOPLE TO LEAVE THESE COMMUNITIES AND WE DON’T WANT THEM TO LEAVE ALBERTA. IN FACT, PEOPLE ARE STILL COMING TO ALBERTA RIGHT NOW EVEN AS ALL OF THIS IS HAPPENING. BUT I KNOW THAT IN PLACES LIKE DRAYTON VALLEY AND OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT RELIES SO MUCH ON OUR OIL AND GAS SECTOR THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THOSE MUNICIPAL LEADERS, WITH THOSE COMMUNITY LEADERS, TO FIND WAYS TO SUPPORT THEM AND OTHER DIVERSIFICATION EFFORTS AND IT’S SLOW GOING. WE’VE HAD STARTING SUCCESSES BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE’S MORE TO DO.>>Rosemary: OKAY, LOLA, I’M NOT SURE THAT IS THE ANSWER THAT YOU EXACTLY WANTED BUT IT’S A START. AND A QUESTION ON FACEBOOK, AND WE GOT THIS BEFORE HE CAME OUT, WHAT IS THE GOVERNMENT’S GAME PLAN TO MOVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TOWARDS THE COMPLETION OF THE MAJOR PIPELINE PROJECT? WHEN WILL THIS BE IMPLEMENTED? YOUR OPPOSITION LEADER JASON KENNEY SAID THE SAME THING TO ME YESTERDAY. WHY ARE YOU NOT DOING MORE? WHAT MORE COULD YOU DO TO GET OTTAWA TO MOVE FASTER?>>RIGHT. WELL, I MEAN, WE HAVE BEEN PUSHING OTTAWA SINCE DAY ONE. AND I ACTUALLY THINK THAT TO SOME DEGREE AS A RESULT OF THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT THEY ULTIMATELY BOUGHT THE PIPELINE WHEN THE UNCERTAINTY THAT WAS CREATED OVER THIS REGULATORY MORASS IN THIS COUNTRY ALMOST PUSHED PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTORS OUT. AND THE GOVERNMENT AT LEAST CAME IN AND BOUGHT THE PIPELINE AND KEPT IT ALIVE. WE PUSHED VERY, VERY HARD TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, IN THE MEANTIME WE — YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT IT EARLIER TODAY. YOU KNOW, THERE’S DIFFERENT WAYS. YOU CAN KIND OF MEET WITH THE FEDERAL POLITICIANS AND YOU CAN PUBLICLY CALL THEM OUT AND YOU CAN STAND IN A ROOM AND YELL AT THEM. AND THE OTHER WAY TO DEAL WITH POLITICIANS IS TO MAKE THE PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO. SO I’M ONE VOTER IN ALBERTA. BUT THERE ARE CANADIANS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY TO WHOM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS ACCOUNTABLE. AND SO OUR GOVERNMENT VERY EARLY ON MADE THE DECISION THAT WE HAD TO RAISE THE LEVEL OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR ENERGY INDUSTRY AND THE IMPORTANCE OF PIPELINE CONSTRUCTION, NOT JUST IN ALBERTA WHERE EVERYONE KNEW THE ISSUE, BUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE THEY’RE IN VOTE-RICH PROVINCES LIKE ONTARIO AND EVEN QUÉBEC, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE STILL WORK TO DO THERE, AND IN ATLANTIC CANADA AND EVERYWHERE ELSE IN BETWEEN. OUR NUMBERS BECAUSE WE POLLED TOO, HAVE SHOWED THAT WE HAVE MOVED THE DIAL FROM OVER FOUR IN 10 CANADIANS IN SUPPORT OF PIPELINES TO JUST UNDER SEVEN IN 10 CANADIANS. AND SO THE MORE THAT WE PUSH THAT, THE MORE WE KNOW THAT OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY. SO THAT’S PART OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING.>>Rosemary: OKAY, THAT’S YOU AS A VOTER BUT YOU’RE ALSO A POLITICIAN.>>THAT’S WHAT I’M DOING AS PREMIER, YES.>>Rosemary: BUT DEBBIE GOLDEN ASKED THIS QUESTION AND SHE WANTS A YES OR NO. WE’LL SEE. I LIKE HOW DEBBIE GOLDEN THINKS THOUGH. WOULD YOU WITHHOLD TRANSFER PAYMENTS UNTIL THE PIPELINE HAPPENS?>>WELL, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT — THAT WE’RE ALL FULLY AWARE OF THE WAY THAT THESE THINGS WORK. I MEAN, TRANSFER PAYMENTS ARE NOT A PAYMENT THAT THE GOVERNMENT OF ALBERTA WRITES THE CHEQUE. TRANSFER PAYMENTS ARE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT THE PEOPLE AND THE CORPORATIONS THAT MAKE THE MOST PAY THE MOST TAX. AND SO THAT’S HOW IT WORKS.>>Rosemary: SO YOU CAN’T WITHHOLD THEM, IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE SAYING?>>SO PEOPLE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE PAYING THEIR TAXES. BUT SHE HIGHLIGHTS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT THAT I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY PRESUMABLY TO A NATIONAL AUDIENCE TO HIGHLIGHT WHICH IS THIS — YOU KNOW, THAT THERE ARE FOUR PROVINCES IN THE COUNTRY WHERE COLLECTIVELY THE PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESSES DO THEIR CORPORATE TAXES OR THEIR INCOME TAX AND PAY MORE TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAN THEY RECEIVE BACK. ONE OF THOSE PROVINCES IS — IS SASKATCHEWAN. AND ROUGHLY ON A PER CAPITA BASIS THEY PAY ABOUT $330 A YEAR MORE THAN THEY — TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THAN THEY GET BACK. THE OTHER TWO PROVINCES, OR TWO OTHERS ARE B.C. AND ONTARIO. AND ROUGHLY EACH OF THEM PAYS ABOUT $1,200 A MONTH ON A PER CAPITA BASIS MORE TO OTTAWA THAN THEY GET BACK IN. ALBERTA THAT NUMBER IS ABOUT $5300 PER CAPITA MORE TO OTTAWA THAN WE GET BACK. SO WHAT THAT SAYS TO ME IS THAT ALL CANADIANS RELY ON ALBERTA TO DO WELL. THERE’S NOT A SCHOOL, THERE’S NOT A HOSPITAL, THERE IS NOT A ROAD, THERE’S NOT A PORT, MY FRIENDS, IN ANY PART OF THIS COUNTRY THAT DOESN’T OWE PART OF ITS EXISTENCE TO THE PEOPLE OF ALBERTA AND THE PROSPERITY THAT IS DRIVEN BY OUR ENERGY INDUSTRY.>>Rosemary: BUT YOU’RE NOT SAYING — [Applause] BUT, I MEAN, YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THAT TRANSFER EQUALIZATION SYSTEM EXISTS, TO BALANCE OUT WEALTH ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO YOU’RE NOT SAYING — OR ARE YOU — THAT ALBERTANS DON’T WANT THAT BURDEN OR THAT WEIGHT?>>NO — WE DON’T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THAT ANYWAY. BUT WHAT THE REASON THAT I AM SAYING IT IS THAT THE REST OF CANADA NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH WE NEED TO DO WELL. AND — AND, FRANKLY, I THINK THAT MORE AND MORE THEY ARE. AS I SAY, THERE’S OTHER EXAMPLES TOO. YOU KNOW, TORONTO RELIES VERY MUCH ON A STRONG FINANCIAL SERVICES INDUSTRY AND THE TORONTO STOCK EXCHANGE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY OPERATES OUT OF TORONTO. WELL, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE WORK THAT GOES ON IN THE TORONTO STOCK EXCHANGE IS DRIVEN BY ALBERTA’S ENERGY ECONOMY. CAPITAL INVESTMENTS — HUGE AMOUNT OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN CANADA, COMES AS A RESULT OF THE ENERGY INDUSTRY. SO IF WE DON’T FIGURE OUT HOW TO CAPITALIZE ON THIS RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS THAT WE HAVE THE SECOND BIGGEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD FOR THIS RESOURCE, BUT WE OPERATE LIKE WE’RE THE 20th BIGGEST. BECAUSE WE CAN’T GET IT TOGETHER. AND ALL CANADIANS I THINK SHOULD KNOW WHY WE NEED TO GET IT TOGETHER.>>Rosemary: OKAY, WE HAVE AN AUDIENCE QUESTION HERE AND I’LL GET YOU A GLASS OF WATER. GO AHEAD AND I’LL JUST DO THAT. GO AHEAD.>>GOOD EVENING, PREMIER. MY NAME IS ALEX AND I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT BILL 12. SO WHEN IT WAS ANNOUNCED IT WAS INDICATED THAT THIS COULD BE USED AS A MEASURE TO RESTRICT OIL SALES TO BRITISH COLUMBIA. AND I’M CURIOUS IF YOU COULD PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE OF A CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WOULD PROMPT ALBERTA TO MAKE THAT RESTRICTION? AND WHAT OUTCOME YOU WOULD HOPE TO ACHIEVE BY DOING SO?>>Rosemary: THAT’S A GOOD QUESTION. THAT’S A GOOD ONE.>>THANK YOU. WELL, BILL 12 WAS SOMETHING THAT WE INTRODUCED BACK WHEN THE B.C. GOVERNMENT WAS SORT OF POSITIONING ITSELF AS THE PRIMARY IMPEDIMENT TO MOVING T.M.X. FORWARD. AND SO WE GAVE OURSELVES THE AUTHORITY TO MOVE AROUND OUR RESOURCES IN A WAY THAT WAS STRATEGIC AND GOT US THE BEST PRICE POSSIBLE. AS THINGS STAND NOW THE BARRIER TO GETTING T.M.X. BUILT NO LONGER RESTS WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF B.C. QUITE FRANKLY, WHEN THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA BOUGHT THAT PIPELINE THE EFFORTS THAT THE GOVERNMENT OF B.C. WAS DOING TO HARASS PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENTS, INVESTORS, OUT OF THE PIPELINE BUSINESS BECAME NULL AND VOID. BECAUSE NOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OWNS THAT PIPELINE. SO NOW THE ISSUE IS ABOUT DOING THE WORK THAT WAS LAID OUT IN THE FEDERAL COURT OF APPEAL DECISION IN AUGUST OF 2018. AND THE RECONSIDERATION AROUND MARINE SAFETY, THE APPROPRIATE CONSULTATION AND ACCOMMODATION OF. INDIGENOUS CONCERNS AND THEN MOVING FORWARD TO GET THE PIPELINE BUILT. SO IF WE FOUND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE ANY JURISDICTION AROUND US WAS ENGAGING IN — AT ONE POINT WE BELIEVED THAT THE B.C. GOVERNMENT WAS ENGAGING IN ILLEGAL ACTIVITY AND THREATENING ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. IF THEY STARTED TO DO THAT AGAIN, THEN WE’D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DEGREE TO WHICH WE COULD USE THAT DIAL AS A MEANS OF INFLUENCING THE FUTURE BEHAVIOUR.>>Rosemary: OKAY, ANOTHER QUESTION IN THE AUDIENCE. IT’S THE MAYOR OF STURGEON COUNTY. GOOD TO SEE YOU. WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION OF THE PREMIER?>>GOOD EVENING, MISS BARTON AND PREMIER. AND 12% OF THE RURAL POPULATION LIVES IN ALBERTA AND THEY HAVE 21% OF THE NATION’S RURAL CRIME. SUICIDESSOR THE RISE BY 30% IN 2015. AND WE’RE EXPERIENCING AN INCREASE IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND ASSAULTS AS ALBERTANS STRUGGLE WITH UNEMPLOYMENT AND ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. STURGEON COUNTY, ALONG WITH THE REST OF ALBERTA, IS DEALING WITH 84,000 PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS THAT HAVE BEEN LOST SINCE Q4 OF 2014. AND THE GOVERNMENT OF ALBERTA REVENUES HAVE DECLINED FROM APPROXIMATELY $9 BILLION IN 2014 TO $3 BILLION IN 2017. THIS IS LOST MONEY THAT IS NEEDED TO PROVIDE ROADS, HOSPITALS, DOCTORS, NURSES, SOCIAL PROGRAMMES AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT FOR GREEN ENERGY AL ATTORNEY TITCHES. THE PROVINCE’S REGULATORY COMPETITIVENESS IS OUR ONLY SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY TO ALLEVIATE THE ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL DETERIORATION OF ALBERTA WHICH WILL ULTIMATELY AFFECT THE REST OF CANADA’S ECONOMY. THE REGULATORY FRAMEWORK PROCESS IS INEFFICIENT, LENGTHY AND COMPLEX WHICH GENERATES INVESTOR UNCERTAINTY. PREMIER NOTLEY, ARE YOU WILLING TO STANDARDIZE AND ACCELERATE THE REGULATORY FRAMEWORKS BY SETTING TARGETS AND BENCHMARKS THAT ARE COMPARABLE TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO ENSURE THAT RESOURCES ARE PRODUCED WITH ENVIRONMENTAL AND SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY BEFORE CANADA’S MARKET SHARE IS REPLACED BY OTHER COUNTRIES WITH LITTLE OR NO ENVIRONMENTAL OR LABOUR STANDARDS?>>Rosemary: THAT’S MAYOR ALANA NACHOO, STURGEON COUNTY. THAT’S A LENGTHY QUESTION –>>IT WAS, AND I HOPE THAT I’M UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION THERE. BUT, SO THERE’S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WERE TOUCHED ON THERE. I KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, THAT A LOT OF FOLKS IN RURAL ALBERTA, PARTIALLY I THINK AS A RESULT OF WHAT’S GOING ON WITH THE ECONOMY AND PARTIALLY AS A RESULT OF THE WAY THAT CRIME CHANGES AT TIMES, BUT HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH SOME VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS AROUND PROPERTY CRIME. AND OUR GOVERNMENT WAS PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO INTRODUCE A RURAL CRIME STRATEGY LAST YEAR AND WE HAVE SEEN SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS IN MANY MEASURES OF RURAL CRIME SINCE THAT. SO WE’RE PLEASED TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACTUALLY HAVE TAKEN ACTION AND SEEN THE OUTCOME. IN TERMS OF REGULATORY — THE REGULATORY REGIME, YOU KNOW, WE — THERE’S A FEW THINGS THAT ARE GOING — FIRST OF ALL OUR MINISTER OF ENERGY IS WORKING WITH THE A.E.R. TO LOOK AT WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN SPEED UP SOME OF THE REGULATORY PROCESSES THAT ARE IN PLAY HERE IN ALBERTA.>>Rosemary: WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION?>>ABSOLUTELY. AND SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT TO SOME DEGREE THERE’S A LITTLE BIT OF OVERSTATEMENT IN SOME QUARTERS ABOUT THE DEGREE TO WHICH THAT ACTUALLY IS THE ISSUE. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE INDUSTRY AND WE’RE ABLE TO GIVE US GOOD EXAMPLES WHERE THINGS CAN BE STREAMLINED AND SPED UP WITHOUT IN ANY WAY COMPROMISING THE SAFETY AND THE INTEGRITY, THE ENVIRONMENTAL INTEGRITY, THAT IS BEING MONITORED, THEN OUR MINISTER IS WORKING VERY CAREFULLY WITH THEM. GOING FORWARD I WILL SAY THIS — THAT ALBERTA IS A VERY, VERY PROGRESSIVE AND SOPHISTICATED ECONOMY. AND IT IS ONE THAT IS BUILT ON A POPULATION THAT IS NOT ONLY THE YOUNGEST BUT THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY. AND OUR ECONOMIC FUTURE IS ONE THAT SHOULD BE BUILT ON MAINTAINING AND GROWING THAT PROGRESSIVE, DIVERSIFIED SOPHISTICATION. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE AN ECONOMIC PLAN THAT IS PREMISED ON ACCELERATING A RACE TO THE BOTTOM WITH A BUNCH OF UNNAMED JURISDICTIONS WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN THIS JURISDICTION OR THIS PROVINCE.>>Rosemary: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?>>BY SUGGESTING THAT WORKERS SHOULD BE PAID A LOT LESS AND WE SHOULD GET RID OF HEALTH AND SAFETY REGULATIONS, THAT WE SHOULD STOP BEING CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT — THAT IS NOT ALBERTANS. WE ARE A SOURCE OF INNOVATION. WE ARE A SOURCE OF DIVERSIFICATION. WE ARE A WELL-TRAINED, SKILLED WORKFORCE. AND EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US NEED TO HAVE THOSE SKILLS LEVERAGED TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND TO DIVERSIFY THE ECONOMY, NOT TO TRY TO PRETEND THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY COMPETE WITH, YOU KNOW, PLACES LIKE MEXICO.>>Rosemary: SO NOT AT ANY COST? YOU’RE NOT WILLING TO HAVE THESE THINGS HAPPEN QUICKLY AT ANY COST, THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE SAYING?>>A RACE TO THE BOTTOM IS NOT AN ECONOMIC MODEL. A RACE BACKWARDS IS NOT AN ECONOMIC MODEL. A PLAN TO GO TO WHERE THE PUCK IS GOING TO BE, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE THE INTELLECTUAL RESOURCES TO DO THAT, THAT’S HOW WE GROW OUR ECONOMY.>>Rosemary: LISA STODDARD ON FACEBOOK ASKS, HOW MANY MORE JOBS SHOULD THE OIL AND GAS SECTOR EXPECT TO LOSE UNTIL ALBERTA BECOMES STABLE AGAIN? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PROJECT FORWARD? DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT PEOPLE SHOULD EXPECT?>>YOU KNOW, IT’S — IT’S HARD TO PROJECT BECAUSE, OF COURSE, RIGHT NOW WE’RE DEALING WITH CURTAILMENT. THAT WAS NOT A THING THAT WE THOUGHT THAT WE’D HAVE TO DEAL WITH QUITE SO SOON. AND WE KNOW THAT IS NOT GREAT, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE SEEN GOOD RESULTS IN AT LEAST WITH THE PRICE IN THE FIRST MONTH AND A HALF. BUT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON AND I HAVEN’T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT AS WE TALK ABOUT THE ENERGY INDUSTRY IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN ALBERTA FOR DECADES. I REMEMBER PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT WHEN I GREW UP IN NORTHERN ALBERTA WHICH IS — WHY AREN’T WE GETTING MORE VALUE FOR THE AMAZING RESOURCES THAT WE OWN?>>Rosemary: PRICE DIFFERENTIAL?>>NOT JUST THAT, BUT WHY CAN’T WE DO MORE WITH IT. AND NOT SINCE PETER LOUGHEED HAS THAT CONVERSATION BEEN HAD IN A SERIOUS WAY. SO IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OUR GOVERNMENT HAS EMBARKED UPON THE MOST AMBITIOUS ENERGY DIVERSIFICATION PROGRAMME AND VALUE-ADD UPGRADING PROGRAMME SINCE PETER LOUGHEED. WE CALL IT THE MADE-IN-ALBERTA PROGRAMME. WE HAVE DEDICATED ROUGHLY $3.2 BILLION TO A ROLE OF PROGRAMMES TO INCENT INVESTMENT IN UPGRADING. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, JUST IN THE AREA OF PETROCHEMICAL DIVERSIFICATION, HERE IN THE INDUSTRIAL HEARTLAND, IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS WE HAVE SEEN TWO MAJOR PROJECTS THAT AMOUNT TO ABOUT $7 BILLION OF NEW INVESTMENT. CORRECTIVELY THEY WILL CREATE OVER 5,000 JOBS WHERE WE ARE UPGRADING OUR PETROCHEMICALS INTO A FORM OF PLASTIC. THAT — THOSE TWO PROJECTS ALONE WOULDN’T HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT OUR MADE-IN-ALBERTA PROGRAMME. SO WE WANT TO DO MORE OF THAT. WE JUST ANNOUNCED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO A MARTIAL UPGRADING PROGRAMME THAT IS GOING TO ALSO CREATE THOUSANDS OF JOBS AND IT’S GOING TO ALLOW US TO SHIFT MORE OIL, MORE BITUMEN, WITH THEREBY OPENING UP MORE SPACE IN THE PIPELINES AND REDUCING EMISSIONS WITH WHICH THAT IS PRODUCED. GREAT TECHNOLOGY. SO IT’S A VERY EXCITING INVESTMENT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING 20 YEARS AGO. AND WE DIDN’T. NOW WE ARE AND THERE’S OTHERS WHO ARE LOOKING TO KEEP THAT HERE FOR ALBERTANS AND FOR CANADIANS.>>WELCOME. SO GLAD THAT YOU MADE IT.>>I’M CHAD MILLER AND I’M THE FOUNDER OF A NETWORKING GROUP. I BUILT THIS GROUP FOR THOSE IN NEED OF SUPPORT AND TO FIND JOBS AND IN A WAY FOR SOLIDARITY FOR THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY. AND CATER NO MORE TO THE FALSE PROMISES TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND FINALLY STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR THOSE REGULAR HARD-WORKING ALBERTANS.>>Rosemary: THIS IS ONLINE AND THIS QUESTION HAS COME UP A NUMBER OF TIMES AND SARIM SAYS THE SAME, DO YOU THINK THAT YOU MADE A MISTAKE TO TRUST THE PRIME MINISTER? YOU SAID THAT YOU WILL STAND UP FOR ALBERTA BUT NOT ONCE YOU HAVE YOU DONE IT?>>I WILL TAKE A BIT OF AN ISSUE FOR THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE BEEN STANDING UP FOR ALBERTA SINCE DAY ONE AND WE HAVE BEEN PUSHING FOR THAT PIPELINE SINCE DAY ONE. I LIKE EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM ARE VERY FRUSTRATED AND I’M VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THE DECISION THAT WE GOT IN AUGUST WHICH DELAYED A PIPELINE UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ALMOST 70 YEARS IN THE COUNTRY OF CANADA. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN FIGHT AGAINST. WHEN IT COMES TO PUSHING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THERE’S NO QUESTION THAT CANADA WORKS BEST WHEN WE ALL WORK TOGETHER. AND I TALKED ABOUT THE WAYS THAT WE HAVE PUSHED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, CREATING A MUCH BETTER LEVEL OF AWARENESS FROM COAST-TO-COAST-TO-COAST ABOUT WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT. AND TALKING TO GROUPS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY THAT HISTORICALLY DIDN’T SUPPORT PIPELINES. SO NOT JUST GOING INTO ROOM FULLS OF HIGH-LEVEL INVESTMENT FINANCERS IN EASTERN CANADA, BUT GOING AND TALKING TO ROOMS FULL OF ENVIRONMENTALISTS AS WELL TO TALK ABOUT IT. AND THROUGH THEM AND PUSHING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, RESULTED IN THEM BUYING WELL, A PIPELINE. BUT WHAT I WILL SAY THAT THERE’S MORE WORK TO BE DONE. WE ARE CONTINUING TO TELL THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT, FOR INSTANCE, C-69 AND I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER TODAY IN ITS CURRENT FORM IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. WE CANNOT ACCEPT THAT. THAT IS GOING TO TAKE A LEVEL OF DELAY THAT WE HAVE ALREADY BECOME USED TO AND MAKE IT WORSE AND IT’S NOT ACCEPTABLE. AND WE HAVE TOLD THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT REPEATEDLY AND WE’RE IN NEGOTIATIONS NOW ABOUT HOW WE CAN GET IT DONE BETTER. AND SO WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. BUT WE ARE ALL PART OF THIS COUNTRY. WE WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT BUT WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT AS PEOPLE WHO NEED TO KNOW THE PATH OF GETTING THE FOLKS WHO THEY’RE TRYING TO CONVINCE TO GET THERE WITH YOU. AND THAT’S WHAT I’M GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON DOING.>>Rosemary: ANOTHER AUDIENCE QUESTION. HELLO, SIR.>>I’M CORY.>>Rosemary: HI, CORY.>>MY QUESTION IS, LIKE, WE HEARD TONIGHT THAT THERE’S YOUR MONEY LOST UP IN OTTAWA, THINGS LIKE THAT. YOUR FIGHT WITH THE SUPREME COURT. BUT REALLY, WE GOT THESE PROTESTERS ON THE WEST COAST WHO ARE BEING PAID OFF BY THE AMERICANS TO DO THIS. AND I ALMOST WONDER HOW MUCH OF THIS MONEY IS GOING TOWARDS POLICYMAKERS AND POLITICIANS AND ALSO HERE IN CANADA, THE SUPREME COURT POSSIBLY, TO WORK AGAINST OUR PIPELINES. AND WHEN DO WE ACTUALLY DROP THE GLOVES AND FIGHT THESE PEOPLE PROPERLY ON THEIR LEVEL TO ACTUALLY WIN? WE’RE SUPPOSED TO LEAVE THIS WORLD BETTER FOR OUR KIDS.>>Rosemary: OKAY, WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AGAIN?>>CORY.>>Rosemary: I WILL SAY, CORY, I DON’T THINK THAT THE SUPREME COURT IS PAID OFF AND I DON’T THINK THAT THERE’S EVIDENCE OF THAT. SO I’LL DISPUTE THAT. BUT THE PREMIER, MAYBE SPEAK TO THE BROADER ISSUE — I THINK THAT IT’S TRUE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE PROTESTING THE PIPELINE IN OTHER PLACES IN THE COUNTRY. AGAIN, I DON’T THINK THAT THEY’RE BEING PAID. I THINK THEY HAVE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO LIVE WITH THIS PIPELINE AND DON’T WANT IT IN YOUR BACKYARD, THE WAY THAT YOU WOULDN’T WANT IT IN YOURS?>>I HEAR THE FRUSTRATION IN CORY’S VOICE AND I KNOW THAT HE’S SPEAKING FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ALSO SHARE THE FRUSTRATION, YOU KNOW, AND I GET FRUSTRATED WHEN PEOPLE SAY OH, IT’S A ZERO SUM GAME. IF YOU DO A PIPELINE AND YOU DON’T CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND VICE VERSA. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SAY AND I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG IS THAT WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENTAL, OUR AIR AND OUR LAND AND OUR WATER, EVEN, YOU KNOW, THE WEST COAST FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. BUT IT IS NOT AN EITHER/OR PROP SITIONZ. AND THAT — PROPOSITION. AND THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ECONOMIC PROSPERITY IN ORDER TO DO THAT. AND PEOPLE WHO SUGGEST THAT WE CAN ONLY HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER, WELL, FRANKLY, THAT’S BEEN THE POLITICS OF DIVISION THAT HAS DRIVEN THIS CONVERSATION FOR THE LAST TWO DECADES AND IT’S GOTTEN US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW AND IT AIN’T WORKING. I HAVE MADE THAT CASE REPEATEDLY IN B.C. AND THERE’S OTHER PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT B.C. AND I ACTUALLY HEARD SOMEONE ON CBC EARLIER TODAY SAYING THAT THE MAJORITY OF BRITISH COLUMBIANS DON’T SUPPORT THIS ANYMORE. THAT’S NOT TRUE. THE MAJORITY OF BRITISH COLUMBIANS ARE WITH US NOW ON THIS POINT.>>Rosemary: SHACHI SAID HALF AND HALF. ABOUT HALF AND HALF NOW.>>I WOULD SAY THAT THERE’S DIFFERENT POLLS. THAT’S A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE. WHAT I KNOW — [laughter]>>Rosemary: WE’LL BRING HER BACK UP.>>WHAT I WILL SAY IS THIS — IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS WE’VE BEEN GOING OUT TO B.C. AND WE’VE BEEN TALKING TO NOT JUST THE FOLKS ON OUR SIDE BUT TO THE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT THOSE PROTESTERS TO SAY, LISTEN, FOLKS, THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS TO YOU. AND YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBERS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. THIS IS HOW MUCH –>>Rosemary: BUT EVEN IF YOU DO THAT, PREMIER AND I’LL GET TO A QUESTION FROM THE MAYOR — THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO JUST DON’T CARE.>>SOME DON’T, BUT HERE’S THE BOTTOM LINE — THERE’S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CORE GROUP THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE THEIR MIND AND THE POLITICAL CONSENSUS WHERE CLEARLY WHAT’S HAPPENED IS THAT IT’S SHIFTED. AND MY ARGUMENT IS THAT WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TALK TO FOLKS IN B.C. I GO TO B.C. AND I HAVE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE COMING TO ME AND SAYING THAT WE SUPPORT YOU ON THIS. AND LET ME ALSO SAY TO ALBERTANS — BECAUSE I HAVEN’T HAD A CHANCE TO SAY THIS EITHER THAT A BIG THANK YOU TO THEM BECAUSE IT’S NOT JUST US, IT’S EACH AND EVERY ALBERTAN REACHING ACROSS THOSE MOUNTAINS AND TALKING TO THEIR BROTHERS AND THEIR SISTERS AND THEIR IN-LAWS AND THEIR UNION MEMBERS FROM OTHER UNIONS AND THEIR BUSINESS COLLEAGUES AND THEIR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE CROSS PROVINCIAL GROUPS, WHATEVER, MAKING THAT CASE AND THAT IS HOW WE’RE MOVING THE DIAL. AND SO WE’LL KEEP DOING THAT.>>Rosemary: MAYOR MICHAEL DIRKSON, NICE TO SEE YOU, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN.>>THANK YOU. PREMIER NOTLEY I WANT TO SWITCH THE TOPIC TO RURAL DIVERSIFICATION AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU AND YOUR GOVERNMENT ARE DOING TO PUSH PIPELINES. I WATCH HOCKEY GAMES AND I SEE THE COMMERCIALS ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO US IN DRAYTON VALLEY WE HAVE A CLEAN TECHNOLOGY CENTRE WHICH WAS FUNDED WITH PROVINCIAL GRANT DOLLARS THAT HASN’T BEEN FORMALLY BEEN OPENED, SO WE’D LOVE TO HAVE YOU IN DRAYTON VALLEY TO HELP TO OPEN THAT IF YOU’D LIKE TO COME. BUT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT INDUSTRIAL HEMP. SO THE OIL AND GAS COMMUNITY BUT WE’RE LOOKING BEYOND THAT AND WE’RE LOOKING AT INDUSTRIAL HEMP. AND IF YOU PLANT IT, AS MUCH AS INDUSTRIAL HEMP AS WE HAVE CANOLA IN THIS COUNTRY, WE EMIT 50% OF THE PARIS CLIMATE CHANGE NUMBERS, IT’S A GREAT CARBON SEQUESTER. WE HAVE REPORTS FROM M.M.P. THAT THE TOWN OF DRAYTON VALLEY HAS PAID FOR SAYING THAT THROUGH LOAN GUARANTEES FROM THE PROVINCE — WE’RE NOT ASKING FOR MONEY BUT JUST LOAN GUARANTEES — WE COULD CREATE 300 JOBS JUST WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU, ARE YOU AND YOUR GOVERNMENT WILLING TO LISTEN TO MUNICIPALITIES AND TO ACTUALLY TO DO PROPER RURAL DIVERSIFICATION FROM THE MUNICIPAL LEADERS THAT HAVE TO STAND THERE EVERY DAY AND DEAL WITH OUR PUBLIC?>>YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY. LIKE, I’M NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO YOUR PROJECT BECAUSE I HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO HAVE PEOPLE LOOK AT IT AND TO CONSIDER IT, THE MERITS OF THE WHOLE THING.>>Rosemary: NICE TRY THOUGH.>>I WILL SAY THAT WE KNOW THAT HEMP HAS TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITIES. WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS DONE SO FAR IS THAT WE HAVE FUNDED REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THEY’RE CALLED REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATIONS, TO COME UP AND TO DO THE WORK THAT CREATES THE KIND OF IDEAS THAT YOUR FOLKS ARE COMING UP WITH. IN ADDITION WE HAVE A PROGRAMME TO KICKSTART THESE THINGS. BUT WE HAVE ALSO MADE THROUGH A.T.B., CREATED A FUND WHERE THERE’S MORE CAPITAL AVAILABLE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES AND DIVERSIFICATION OPPORTUNITIES OUTSIDE OF ENERGY. AND SO WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT KIND OF WORK. BUT I WAS AT A SMALL MAYOR’S FORUM LAST WEEK AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WILL SAY IS THAT ON A ONE OFF BASIS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALWAYS WILLING TO WORK WITH OUR MUNICIPAL LEADERS AND OUR REGIONAL LEADERS ON WAYS IN WHICH THE AREAS THAT THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT ALREADY OPERATES IN, CAN PARTNER WITH OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS TO HELP TO SUPPORT THESE KINDS OF DIVERSEIFICATION PROJECTS. WE TALKED ABOUT IN LETHBRIDGE WE HAD THE SINGLE BIGGEST PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENT IN LETHBRIDGE A COUPLE YEARS AGO AS A RESULT OF PARTNERING BETWEEN OUR GOVERNMENT AND THE MUNICIPALITY TO SUPPORT THE WORK THAT ATTRACTED INVESTORS. SO THE POINT BEING IS THAT WE’RE WILLING TO HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SITTING DOWN AND TALKING ABOUT WHO HOW WE MIGHT WORK TOGETHER.>>Rosemary: WILL YOU GO TO DRAYTON VALLEY BECAUSE I DON’T THINK THAT YOU HAVE BEEN AND THEY’D LOVE TO SEE YOU.>>WELL, ME OR ONE OF THE MINISTERS.>>Rosemary: I’M TRYING FOR YOU.>>I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT MY CALENDAR.>>Rosemary: ONE MORE AUDIENCE QUESTION AND A COUPLE ONLINE AND THEN WE’LL FREE THE PREMIER. GO AHEAD.>>GOOD EVENING, PREMIER NOTLEY. I’M SEEING THAT THE — THE GLOBAL DEMAND FOR OIL IS INCREASING STEADILY EVERY YEAR AND MY CONCERN IS THAT THE CURL TAINMENT IS A TEMPORARY MEASURE WHAT WILL WE DO IF BILL C-9 WERE TO PASS IN THE SENATE, HOW WOULD WE GET PIPELINES BUILT? BECAUSE TRANS MOUNTAIN SEEMS TO BE IN LEGAL — IT’S GOING TO BE IN THE COURTS FOR WE DON’T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS. SO WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PLAN TO GET PIPELINES BUILT BECAUSE WE’RE GOING TO GET RAILWAY CARS, BUT IS THERE A TRACK TIME AND WILL B.C. ALLOW INCREASED TRAIN TRAFFIC THROUGH THEIR PROVINCE? SO HOW WOULD WE GET OUR OIL TO GLOBAL MARKET? WE HAVE 30 COUNTRIES WORLDWIDE THAT ARE WANTING TO BUY CANADA’S ETHICAL AND RESPONSIBLE OIL.>>THERE’S SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WORK THROUGH ALL THE TIME. SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE REFER TO IN THE PAST AS SORT OF SHORT-TERM AND MEDIUM TERM AND TWO LONG-TERM STRATEGIES TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE THAT YOU RAISED THERE. SO YOU’RE RIGHT, CURTAILMENT IS SCHEDULED TO END IN DECEMBER AS YOU WOULD HAVE HEARD. LAST WEEK WE MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF REDUCTION THAT WE’RE CURTAILING OR PUT ANOTHER WAY, TO ALLOW MORE PRODUCTION TO TAKE PLACE. SO THAT WAS GOOD NEWS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACCELERATE THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE’RE HOPEFUL THAT WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE THE SAME RESULTS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. RAIL IS SOMETHING THAT IS AN INTERIM MEASURE AND THAT’S WHY WE’RE IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING A DEAL WITH RAIL. DON’T WORRY ABOUT B.C. THEY DON’T GET TO SAY YEA OR NAY TO WHAT GOES ON THEIR TRACKS. AND SO WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF NEGOTIATING ENOUGH RAIL TO DEAL WITH THE PERIOD OF TIME DURING WHICH THERE’S A GAP BETWEEN HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO PRODUCE AND HOW MUCH WE NEED TO TAKE –>>Rosemary: THERE’S A — [indiscernible]>>WE KNOW, BUT WE’RE FINDING THEM. WE’RE VERY CLOSE TO HAVING A DEAL AND HAVING THIS ONE FIGURED OUT AND WE’LL ABLE TO TALK TO ALBERTANS ABOUT THAT VERY SOON. BUT, OF COURSE, WE THEN HAVE TO DEAL WITH PIPELINES AND WE HAVE LINE THREE EXPECTED TO COME ON AROUND — RIGHT AROUND JANUARY OF 2020. AND COME MID 2020 WE’LL FIND OURSELVES IN A GAP AGAIN AND THAT’S WHY THE RAIL IS A GOOD INVESTMENT BECAUSE WE’LL NEED IT OFF AND ON FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS WHILE WE WAIT FOR T.M.X. TO GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS. I THINK THAT WE’LL GET THE APPROVAL BACK IN PLAY. AND I THINK THAT WE’LL HAVE SHOVELS IN THE GROUND LATER THIS YEAR. WE HAVE THE END OF FEBRUARY THIS MONTH WE HAVE A BIG BENCHMARK THAT WE ALL NEED TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND IF IT GOES OUR WAY I THANK WE’RE BACK ON TRACK. IT’S BEEN DELAYED BUT I THINK –>>Rosemary: THAT BENCHMARK MEANING WHAT, WITH CONSULTATIONS?>>THE N.A.B. DECISION.>>Rosemary: OTHER QUESTIONS — THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. TWO OTHER QUESTIONS ONLINE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ASKING THIS ONE, WHY DO YOU STILL SUPPORT THE CARBON TAX? YOU HAVE PULLED OUT OF THE FEDERAL PLAN TO INCREASE IT OVER TIME SO YOU HAVE JUST STAYED WHERE YOU ARE, WHICH IS ABOUT $30 A TONNE, IS THAT WHERE YOU’RE AT?>>YEP.>>Rosemary: WHY DO YOU STILL SUPPORT IT AT ALL? PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW.>>THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS — WE ARE AN ENERGY LEADER IN ALBERTA AND I THINK WE’LL BE FOR A LONG TIME GOING FORWARD BUT WE’RE NOT GOING TO RETAIN THAT POSITION IF WE TRY TO PRETEND THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS NOT AN ISSUE. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO BE THE MOST SUSTAINABLE ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD AND OUR — AND AT THE SAME TIME TO TAKE ACTION TO BUILD OUR TECHNOLOGICAL ABILITY TO TAKE EMISSIONS OUT OF THE BARREL AND ALSO DIVERSIFY OUR ENERGY MARKET HERE IN ALBERTA, WHAT WE PRODUCE IN ORDER TO REDUCE –>>Rosemary: WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE THAT THE CARBON TAX GIVES YOU THOUGH?>>IT GIVES US RESOURCES TO DO THAT AND IT IS — ACCORDING TO THE NOBEL PRIZE GIVERS — THE BEST ECONOMIC MODEL TO GET THE JOB DONE. SO WE, AGAIN, WE’RE NOT GOING TO SUCCEED IF WE BUILD AN ECONOMY BASED ON LOOKING BACK 20 YEARS. WE ARE GOING TO SUCCEED IF WE FIGURE OUT WHERE THE PUCK IS GOING AND GET THERE BEFORE THEN. AND THAT’S WHAT UNDERSTANDING AND GETTING HOLD OF THE CHALLENGE OF CLIMATE CHANGE MEANS FOR OUR ECONOMY. WE ARE AN ENERGY ECONOMY, OPERATING IN A WORLD THAT IS WORRIED ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE. WE NEED TO BE AHEAD OF THE CURVE, NOT RUNNING TO HIDE OUR HEAD INSIDE THE SAND BEHIND IT OR UNDER IT. SO THAT’S WHAT OUR CLIMATE LEADERSHIP PLAN IS ABOUT.>>Rosemary: THERE’S ONE LAST QUESTION THAT EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE — [Applause] EVERYONE IN SOCIAL MEDIA HAS. PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHEN YOU’LL CALL THE ELECTION? JASON KENNEY WANTED YOU TO DO IT ON THE WEEKEND AND YOU DIDN’T MAKE HIM HAPPY. ARE YOU — LIKE, SHOULD WE THINK SORT OF EASTER, WOULD THAT BE LIKE A CONVENIENT TIME?>>WELL, OKAY, IT WILL BE ON A DAY… [laughter] IT WON’T BE DARK OUT. [laughter] SO — AND IT WILL, UNLIKE SORT OF PREVIOUS GOVERNMENTS THAT WERE NOT THE N.D.P. IT WILL ACTUALLY FOLLOW THE LAW WHICH IS SOME TIME BETWEEN MARCH FIRST AND MAY 30th.>>Rosemary: YOU NEVER ASK THAT QUESTION OF POLITICIANS BECAUSE THEY NEVER ANSWER IT. LISTEN, THESE ARE NOT EASY THINGS FOR POLITICIANS TO DO BECAUSE THEY DON’T KNOW WHAT’S COMING AT THEM SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE APPRECIATED THE PREMIER MAKING HERSELF AVAILABLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD TO SEE YOU.>>THANK YOU SO MUCH.>>Rosemary: GOOD TO SEE YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE’LL GET THE PANEL BACK UP AND WE’LL TAKE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS AND WE HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK OFF OF NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE BOSS, IF YOU WILL. WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT THE ELECTION WILL BE? WE’LL GUESS. END OF MARCH? MAYBE? NO. APRIL… NO. OKAY… SHACHI, WHY DON’T YOU GO AHEAD BECAUSE YOU WERE ROLLING YOUR EYES –>>I WASN’T ROLLING MY EYES. I WAS DOING A BIT OF BLUE STEEL –>>Rosemary: SO LET’S SORT OF HAVE A REALITY CHECK FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT THE PREMIER IS SAYING ONE OF THE BEST WAYS NOW TO GET THIS GOING, TO GET THE PIPELINE HAPPENING, TO GET CANADIANS TO UNDERSTAND, IS TO EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN. YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM AND YOU ALL GET IT TOO, AND TO SORT OF BEGIN TO PUT PRESSURE ON PEOPLE. IS THAT WORKING ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND PARTICULARLY MAYBE WHERE IT MATTERS MOST IN BRITISH COLUMBIA?>>SO, YES, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ON THE PANEL THAT PART OF THIS CAMPAIGN IS MOVING THE NEEDLE. WHEN PREMIER NOTLEY TALKS ABOUT “THE MAJORITY” IN BRITISH COLUMBIA, LOOK, THERE’S A STATISTICAL MAJORITY AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE’S THE POLITICAL OR THE PRACTICAL MAJORITY. I CAN’T SPEAK TO THE POLLING THAT HER GOVERNMENT IS DOING. I CAN SPEAK TO THE POLLING THAT WE DO, THAT OUR TEAM DOES, AT THE ANGUS REID INSTITUTE. WE, BY THE WAY, PUBLISHED OUR QUESTIONNAIRES AND OUR DATA OPBE LINE SO YOU CAN — ONLINE AND IT’S VERY TRANSPARENT. YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE’RE ASKING.>>Rosemary: WE DON’T GET TO SEE THEIR INTERNAL POLLING, YEAH.>>WELL, MAYBE YOU CAN RELEASE IT. [laughter] THAT WOULD BE THE TRANSPARENT THING TO DO. WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS AN UPTICK IN SUPPORT IN BRITISH COLUMBIA TO A PLACE WHERE WE’RE NOW SITTING AT SORT OF 53% SUPPORTING, ABOUT 47% STILL OPPOSED. SO, YES, TECHNICALLY THAT IS YOUR MAJORITY. BUT LET’S TALK ABOUT THE INTENSITY OF THE OPPOSITION. AND WHERE IT IS. IT IS IN VOTE RICH METRO VANCOUVER. THIS IS WHERE ANY GOVERNMENT THAT NEEDS TO GET ELECTED IN BRITISH COLUMBIA NEEDS TO WIN VOTES. THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE ARE MOST INCLINED TO SAY, HELL NO. NOW WHAT ARE THEY SAYING NO TO? THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. WE TALK ABOUT EXPLAINING DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN CALGARY AND TIME IN EDMONTON AND, SERIOUSLY, WHEN I’M AT DINNER WITH FRIENDS OUT HERE I’M DUCKING BUNS. THEY GET THROWN AT ME AS A VANCOUVERITE. BUT LET ME TRY TO EXPLAIN THIS. FOR BRITISH COLUMBIANS WHO ARE OPPOSED, FOR MOST OF THEM — THIS IS NOT A PIPELINE ISSUE. THE PIPELINE ALREADY EXISTS. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT TWINNING AN EXISTING PIPELINE. THIS IS A TANKER ISSUE. THERE’S A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN, PARTICULARLY, AGAIN, METRO VANCOUVER, YOU HAVE ALL SEEN THE COASTLINE AND THE BEACH, VERY PRETTY. THEY’RE WORRIED ABOUT A SEVEN-FOLD INCREASE ON TANKER TRAFFIC. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON “AT ISSUE” BEFORE THAT IT’S INCUMBENT ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND I GUESS ON THE GOVERNMENT OF ALBERTA TO MAKE THE CASE TO BRITISH COLUMBIANS THAT THE TANKERS ARE SECURE, THAT THERE IS BEST IN CLASS PREVENTION AND SPILL RESPONSE, AND BAD THINGS AREN’T NECESSARILY GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOUR COASTLINE. NOW THAT FEELS LIKE A BIG RISK TO BRITISH COLUMBIANS. BUT WHEN YOU ASK THE QUESTION ON PIPELINES, THE TEMPERATURE COMES WAY DOWN. WHEN YOU ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT RISK TO OCEAN, THE TEMPERATURE GOES WAY UP. AND SO THIS IS ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS. THIS IS ABOUT MAKING THAT CASE IN THOSE EXPLANATIONS.>>Rosemary: THAT’S WHY AS THE PREMIER SAID THAT THE DECISION AROUND THAT AT THE END OF THE MONTH IS SO IMPORTANT AND MAYBE HELPING OR HURTING HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. I WANT TO GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT YOU HEARD FROM THE PREMIER THERE AND THEN WE’LL DIVE BACK INTO THE AUDIENCE. HUNTER, WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT STRUCK YOU OR YOU SHOOK YOUR HEAD AND DISAGREED WITH OR STRONGLY AGREED WITH?>>NO, I THINK THAT ONE THING THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND AS WELL IS WHAT SHE TALKED ABOUT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INDIGENOUS NATIONS HAVING A SAY, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT INDIGENOUS PEOPLES ARE NOT A MONOLITH IN TERMS OF OUR PERSPECTIVES ON ENERGY AND RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE 634 FIRST NATIONS, NOT INCLUDING MÉTIS AND INUIT AND NOT INCLUDING NON-STATUS, SO WE HAVE TO MAKE ROOM FOR THOSE PERSPECTIVES AND TO ENGAGE IN A DIALOGUE WHERE WE’RE WILLING TO LISTEN, TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS, AND TO REALLY TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE LIKE, OKAY, OUR CONCERNS AS ALBERTANS AND AS CANADIANS ARE NOT THAT FAR OFF. WE COME FROM DIFFERENT PLACES AND WE HAVE A UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP TO EACH OTHER BUT WE NEED TO CREATE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE TRUE DIALOGUE.>>Rosemary: AND TO ACCOMMODATE IF NECESSARY, RIGHT?>>EXACTLY.>>Rosemary: WHAT DO YOU THINK WHAT SHE SAID, ANYTHING STOOD OUT FOR YOU?>>I AGREED WITH A LOT WHAT SHE SAID. I THINK THAT ONE POINT THAT SHE MADE THAT IS PERSPECTIVE IS SAYING THAT ECONOMIC PROSPERITY IS A PREREQUISITE FOR CARING FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE POOREST PLACES IN THE WORLD, THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT. IF WE WANT TO SOLVE THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE, WE NEED AN ECONOMY. SO I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT WE NEED TO REMEMBER. AND SHE TALKED ABOUT THE DIVERSIFICATION OF THE ECONOMY. AND A LOT OF EXCITING THINGS WITH PETROCHEMICALS AND THE OTHER INDUSTRIES GROWING. SO THAT’S PART OF THE EXCITING THINGS HAPPENING.>>Rosemary: BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE’S A LAG, RIGHT, AS YOU’RE TRYING TO INNOVATE AND CREATE AND THOSE JOBS DON’T COME ONLINE AS QUICKLY AS OTHERS AND THAT’S WHAT IS COMPLICATED FOR THE GOVERNMENTS. CHRIS, WHAT STRUCK YOU ABOUT WHAT THE PREMIER SAID? ANYTHING REASSURING AS A BUSINESS OWNER?>>WELL, ABSOLUTELY, I THINK THAT SHE HAS SPOKEN WELL FOR OUR PROVINCE AND I THINK HER MOST ELOQUENT QUOTE IS WHEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE REGULATORY SYSTEM AND SHE SAID, QUOTE, IT AIN’T WORKING, UNQUOTE. AND I FULLY AGREE WITH HER. YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST STEP BACK AND WE LOOK AT OUR REGULATORY SYSTEM WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING IN THIS COUNTRY — I WAS GOING TO SAY 10 YEARS AND THE PREMIER SAID 20 — FOR A LONG TIME. AND LET’S JUST TAKE AN INVENTORY. WHERE ARE WE AT? WELL, WE HAVE TURNED ONE CANADIAN AGAINST THE OTHER. WE HAVE TURNED ONE PART OF THE COUNTRY AGAINST THE OTHER. AND WE HAVE NOT REDUCED GREENHOUSE GASES ONE BIT. AND WE HAVE DEVASTATED THE WESTERN CANADIAN ECONOMY AND THIS MAKES IT WORSE BY NOW SHIPPING OIL THROUGH TANKERS WHICH IS MORE G.H.G. INTENSIVE AND IT’S MORE DANGEROUS, THE PIPELINES IS A SAFEST FORM OF TRANSPORTATION. SO I AGREE WITH THE PREMIER THAT IT AIN’T WORKING. SO MAYBE IT’S TIME AS A COUNTRY THAT WE START PLAN B. THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY TO ADDRESS THIS.>>Rosemary: OKAY, WE HAVE ANOTHER AUDIENCE QUESTION OUT THERE. HELLO.>>HI, MY NAME IS BRENDA.>>Rosemary: HI, BRENDA.>>SORRY. I DID APPRECIATE THE PREMIER’S COMMENTS AND I THOUGHT THAT SHE HAS A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE ISSUES WHICH IS ENCOURAGING, CONSIDERING THE MESS THAT ALBERTA IS NOW IN. I LIVE WITHIN LESS THAN A HUNDRED YARDS OF THE CURRENT TRANS MOUNTAIN PIPELINE. AND I NEVER CONSIDERED THAT IT WOULD BE A DETRIMENT TO THE VALUE OF MY HOUSE GIVEN THE SAFETY RECORD OF PIPELINES. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY THERE IS THIS HUGE RESISTANCE TO PIPELINES. I THINK THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED SOME OF THE PROBLEMS IN THE REGULATORY PROCESS, BUT I HOPE AS A NATION THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH COMMON SENSE TO GET A BETTER REGULATORY SYSTEM IN PLACE AND I’D LIKE TO HEAR HOW WE CAN DO IT. THANK YOU.>>Rosemary: WELL, I WONDER HOW SHACHI’S COMMENT RESONATED WITH YOU, THAT THE FEAR IS NOT PIPELINES THAT IT’S WHAT HAPPENS AT THE OTHER END — TANKERS.>>I CAN UNDERSTAND SOME OF THAT, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THE SAME FEAR ABOUT THE TANKERS COMING INTO THE EAST COAST AND ABOUT ALL OF THE OTHER BIG SHIPS — IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE OIL TANKERS COMPARED TO THE AMOUNT OF SHIPPING OFF THE COAST OF VANCOUVER. AND I HOPE THAT WE DO THINGS WITH INTEGRITY AND SAFETY. AND I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT WE CAN. AND THAT THIS SHOULD NOT BE A DETRIMENT TO THE ENVIRONMENT. I THINK THAT PEOPLE HAVE LEARNED FROM THE DISASTER AND I SUPPORT A CARBON TAX AND ENVIRONMENTAL PRACTICES 100%.>>Rosemary: OKAY, THANK YOU, BRENDA. JACKIE, YOU WANT TO TAKE A STAB AT THAT, WHETHER THERE IS — I DON’T KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE THAT COULD BE DONE TO REASSURE PEOPLE? I MEAN, BRENDA LIVES RIGHT THERE AND SHE FEELS OKAY ABOUT IT. WHAT IS THE ISSUE WITH PEOPLE’S PERCEPTION OF THE SAFETY?>>WHEN IT COMES TO PIPELINES I’M NOT SURE THAT SAFETY IS THE ISSUE. I MEAN, THERE IS CONCERN THAT THERE COULD BE SPILLS AND WE’VE HAD EXAMPLES OF THAT ON THE PIPELINES. SO I THINK THAT WE’RE DOING A LOT TO PREVENT THAT, AND A LOT OF THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS ARE THERE. WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS TO PROVE THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH THOSE VERY QUICKLY AS WE HAVE SEEN ON SOME OF THE PIPELINE ISSUES. WHEN IT COMES TO THE MARINE, THERE’S AN OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE MORE. YOU THINK OF THE TANKER TRAFFIC ON OUR WEST COAST, WE’RE GOING FROM 1% OF ALL LARGE SHIPS ON THE WEST COAST WITH THE T.M.X. THAT WE HAVE TODAY TO THE EXPANDED T.M.X. WHICH IS MORE LIKE 5%. BECAUSE WE’RE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF TANKERS WE’RE ALSO INCREASING THE SPILL RESPONSE GREATLY AND PUTTING A BUNCH OF OTHER SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE THAT REDUCE THE CHANCES OF A SPILL FURTHER. SO WE NEED TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE. IT’S HARD TO FIND AND YOU HAVE TO READ BIG LONG REGULATORY DOCUMENTS TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS. BUT I THINK THAT THERE’S AN OPPORTUNITY.>>Rosemary: BUT I THINK THERE’S A RECOGNITION THAT WHAT WAS IN PLACE WAS NOT ENOUGH AND THAT’S WHY THE NATIONAL ENERGY BOARD HAS NOW GONE BACK TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN. SO, CLEARLY, MORE COULD BE DONE TO ALLAY SOME OF THOSE –>>YEAH, I THINK THEY WENT BACK TO LOOK AT THE MAMMAL ISSUE WITH THE SPILL RESPONSE AND THE EQUIPMENT THERE. THEY’RE DOING A LOT AND DOUBLING THE RESPONSE, AND INCREASING THE TUGS. WE’RE HAVING MUCH LESS OF A CHANCE OF A SPILL WITH THIS PIPELINE THAN WE THINK AND A BETTER ABILITY TO RESPOND IF THERE’S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE THAN WITHOUT.>>Rosemary: ONE MORE QUESTION ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND JEANNIE ASKS ON TWITTER, WHAT EFFORTS ARE MADE TO DEVELOP RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES. SO THE IDEA THAT THIS MAYBE WE CAN’T DO THIS FOREVER. I DON’T KNOW. WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO, WHAT KINDS OF THINGS ARE WE DEVELOPING MOVING FORWARD? CHRIS?>>WELL, I THINK THAT IN THE PROVINCE WE’RE DOING QUITE A BIT WITH PHASING OUT OF COAL AND BRINGING IN MORE WIND POWER AND RENEWABLE AND WE HAVE BEEN LEADERS IN WIND POWER FOR A LONG TIME AND WE HAVE THE BEST AND THE MOST EFFICIENT WIND FACILITIES IN THE COUNTRY IN SOUTHERN ALBERTA. AND THAT INCLUDES THE PINCHER CREEK FACILITIES. SO WE’RE DOING QUITE A BIT AND WILL DO MORE GOING FORWARD. I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TOO TO NOT REPEAT WHAT HAPPENED IN ONTARIO WHERE THEY WENT AT IT FULL FORCE AND THEN REALISED THAT THE ECONOMICS WEREN’T THERE AND, OF COURSE, I WOULD SAY THAT THE IN THE LAST ELECTION WHEN DOUG FORD WON THAT ARGUABLY, THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT LOST ON THE ISSUE OF EXPENSIVE ENERGY BECAUSE RURAL ENERGY WAS SO EXPENSIVE. SO –>>Rosemary: A LOT OF>>I GIVE YOU THAT ONE, ROSIE. I THINK THAT ALBERTA IS APPROACHING IT LOGICALLY WITH GREAT ECONOMICS AND WE’RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.>>WE HAD THREE AUCTIONS, 3.6 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR, THAT’S CHEAP ENERGY AND SO WE HAVE A GREAT WIND RESOURCE. SO WE HAVE THE GAS AND THE OIL AND WE’VE GOT WIND AND SOLAR AND IT’S GREAT TO SEE THAT WE’RE MOVING FORWARD IN TERMS OF GROWING OUR WIND POWER.>>Rosemary: OKAY, CHRIS, JACKIE, HUNTER AND SHACHI, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING AND FOR TAKING ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS AND HELPING US TO WADE THROUGH SOME OF THIS. IF ANY OF YOU STILL HAVE QUESTIONS, DO PUT UP YOUR HAND AND WE WILL TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS DOWN AND WE HONESTLY WILL TRY TO GET YOU AN ANSWER. AND THE SAME FOR PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS ON SOCIAL MEDIA. A PORTION OF THIS WILL BROADCAST TOMORROW NIGHT ON “THE NATIONAL” IN CASE YOU WANT TO SEE YOURSELF IN ACTION SO YOU CAN TUNE IN FOR THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING. JUST FROM A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE PROGRAMME NOTE, WE ARE LISTENING, WE ARE HERE, WE WANT TO HEAR MORE FROM YOU. SO SEND STORY IDEAS AND THOUGHTS ON HOW WE COULD DO BETTER AND WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. [Applause] (♪♪♪) (♪♪♪)

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